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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Anyone want a pc mini tower case? (john ffitch)
2. Thoughts on WhatsApp? (Mike Yates)
3. Re: Thoughts on WhatsApp? (Ian Plain)
4. Re: Thoughts on WhatsApp? (2966710 .)
5. Re: Thoughts on WhatsApp? (Mike Yates)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:12:57 +0000
From: john ffitch <jpff@codemist.co.uk>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Anyone want a pc mini tower case?
Message-ID: <6786-Sun23Feb2014141257+0000-jpff@codemist.co.uk>
>> If not wanted then I guess a trip to the city dumb is called for.
>>
> Or try freecycle ?
tried that with no interest. Shame.
==John ffitch
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:09:00 +0000
From: Mike Yates <bblug@fonehelp.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Thoughts on WhatsApp?
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Not really OT because (a) Android is really a flavour of Linux and (b) this
news might drive droves towards Linux Phone.
For those who haven't noticed, the price paid by Facebook for WhatsApp is
the result of the latter's abuse of Android (and IOS) "Permissions".
When a messaging app says it needs access to "read the contacts list" in
order to "facilitate finding your friends", one would reasonably assume
that it wishes to match names with phone numbers, one at a time, locally.
What WhatsApp does (as discovered by a US congressional enquiry into
privacy) is upload your WHOLE contacts-list to its own servers for
comparison there and keep it, even when you have uninstalled the app and
closed your "account" with them.
Now I think the biggest issue here is that "Permissions" are hardly ever
optional. You simply cannot install the app without them. I think we should
have a right to opt out of permissions.Since that news I have noticed that
MOST apps require the permission to be able to DELETE data from your USB
storage. Who can prevent them deleting the lot?
Any thoughts?
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 21:19:38 +0000
From: Ian Plain <ian@cyber-cottage.co.uk>
To: "bblug@fonehelp.co.uk" <bblug@fonehelp.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath
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You don't have to use this or any other messaging app, if you tony read the
permission you are granting when signing up don't complian afterwards ,
they gave always been very clear and open about this
http://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/general/20971813 also this is very very old
news , 2011 iirc .
most messaging apps will do similar and it won't matter what the underling
OS is.
I would be more worried that facebook have 450 million verified phone
numbers.
On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Mike Yates <bblug@fonehelp.co.uk> wrote:
> Not really OT because (a) Android is really a flavour of Linux and (b)
> this news might drive droves towards Linux Phone.
> For those who haven't noticed, the price paid by Facebook for WhatsApp is
> the result of the latter's abuse of Android (and IOS) "Permissions".
> When a messaging app says it needs access to "read the contacts list" in
> order to "facilitate finding your friends", one would reasonably assume
> that it wishes to match names with phone numbers, one at a time, locally.
> What WhatsApp does (as discovered by a US congressional enquiry into
> privacy) is upload your WHOLE contacts-list to its own servers for
> comparison there and keep it, even when you have uninstalled the app and
> closed your "account" with them.
> Now I think the biggest issue here is that "Permissions" are hardly ever
> optional. You simply cannot install the app without them. I think we should
> have a right to opt out of permissions.Since that news I have noticed that
> MOST apps require the permission to be able to DELETE data from your USB
> storage. Who can prevent them deleting the lot?
> Any thoughts?
>
--
Thanks
Ian Plain
http://www.cyber-cottage.co.uk
Twitter @cyberco
Skype ba17sw
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 21:48:57 +0000
From: "2966710 ." <us.redpumas@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [bristol] Thoughts on WhatsApp?
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On 23 February 2014 21:19, Ian Plain <ian@cyber-cottage.co.uk> wrote:
> You don't have to use this or any other messaging app, if you tony read
> the permission you are granting when signing up don't complian afterwards ,
> they gave always been very clear and open about this
> http://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/general/20971813 also this is very very
> old news , 2011 iirc .
> most messaging apps will do similar and it won't matter what the underling
> OS is.
> I would be more worried that facebook have 450 million verified phone
> numbers.
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Mike Yates <bblug@fonehelp.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Not really OT because (a) Android is really a flavour of Linux and (b)
>> this news might drive droves towards Linux Phone.
>> For those who haven't noticed, the price paid by Facebook for WhatsApp is
>> the result of the latter's abuse of Android (and IOS) "Permissions".
>> When a messaging app says it needs access to "read the contacts list" in
>> order to "facilitate finding your friends", one would reasonably assume
>> that it wishes to match names with phone numbers, one at a time, locally.
>> What WhatsApp does (as discovered by a US congressional enquiry into
>> privacy) is upload your WHOLE contacts-list to its own servers for
>> comparison there and keep it, even when you have uninstalled the app and
>> closed your "account" with them.
>> Now I think the biggest issue here is that "Permissions" are hardly ever
>> optional. You simply cannot install the app without them. I think we should
>> have a right to opt out of permissions.Since that news I have noticed that
>> MOST apps require the permission to be able to DELETE data from your USB
>> storage. Who can prevent them deleting the lot?
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>
>
> Interesting article about it on the Reg
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/20/facebook_whatsapp_19bn_buy_also_45_for_your_phonebook/
"""The most likely explanation is that it's actually paying $42 for your
phone book.
WhatsApp notoriously rifles through your address book, scoops up your phone
numbers, and uploads them to its servers. This is something Facebook has
wanted for some time since its own phone records are incomplete."""
Steve
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:25:01 +0000
From: Mike Yates <bblug@fonehelp.co.uk>
To: Ian Plain <ian@cyber-cottage.co.uk>
Cc: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Thoughts on WhatsApp?
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No Ian, I don't. I used WhatsApp briefly in 2010 while overseas to avoid
roaming text charges. it was ideal for that then but charges have improved
now. That is not the point. There is a polite way of using a phone-user's
permissions and a very rude way. That was indeed known in 2011 (US
congress) but the exact value of the deceptively gathered data was last
week's news. Also, it was not 450 million phone numbers but 450 million
BOOKS of phone numbers and emaii addresses!
I would like all permissions to be optional. If the default is not choosen,
the app may not function correctly, but it should THEN explain why it needs
the access.
Any ideas where that request would best be heard?
On 23 February 2014 21:19, Ian Plain <ian@cyber-cottage.co.uk> wrote:
> You don't have to use this or any other messaging app, if you tony read
> the permission you are granting when signing up don't complian afterwards ,
> they gave always been very clear and open about this
> http://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/general/20971813 also this is very very
> old news , 2011 iirc .
> most messaging apps will do similar and it won't matter what the underling
> OS is.
> I would be more worried that facebook have 450 million verified phone
> numbers.
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Mike Yates <bblug@fonehelp.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Not really OT because (a) Android is really a flavour of Linux and (b)
>> this news might drive droves towards Linux Phone.
>> For those who haven't noticed, the price paid by Facebook for WhatsApp is
>> the result of the latter's abuse of Android (and IOS) "Permissions".
>> When a messaging app says it needs access to "read the contacts list" in
>> order to "facilitate finding your friends", one would reasonably assume
>> that it wishes to match names with phone numbers, one at a time, locally.
>> What WhatsApp does (as discovered by a US congressional enquiry into
>> privacy) is upload your WHOLE contacts-list to its own servers for
>> comparison there and keep it, even when you have uninstalled the app and
>> closed your "account" with them.
>> Now I think the biggest issue here is that "Permissions" are hardly ever
>> optional. You simply cannot install the app without them. I think we should
>> have a right to opt out of permissions.Since that news I have noticed that
>> MOST apps require the permission to be able to DELETE data from your USB
>> storage. Who can prevent them deleting the lot?
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> Ian Plain
> http://www.cyber-cottage.co.uk
> Twitter @cyberco
> Skype ba17sw
>
>
>
>
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