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1. Backup drive (david)
2. Re: Backup drive (Alex Butcher)
3. Re: Backup drive (david)
4. Re: Backup drive (Adrian Portway)
5. Introducing myself (Adrian Portway)
6. Re: Introducing myself (David Fear)
7. Re: Introducing myself (Nigel Sollars)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 16:53:25 +0000
From: david <david@avoncliff.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Backup drive
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All
I have decided I really ought to do something about backups, the old
system of copying everything to a CD every so often that has worked for
years is showing its age.
So I bought a 1T drive, and formatted it ext4, it shows up as 1000gig free.
So I copied /home off an old machine on to it, this lists as 159,323
items totalling 28.4GB, and now the drive is showing 899GB free.
Does everyone just ignore this, and buy bigger drives?
If I partition it up how many partitions do I need to make it worth the
effort.
And as the idea is to copy several machines and some old drives on to
one drive (all eggs in one basket ) has anyone used any deduping
software for home use.
David
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 17:02:45 +0000 (GMT)
From: Alex Butcher <lug@assursys.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Backup drive
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On Fri, 28 Feb 2014, david wrote:
> I have decided I really ought to do something about backups, the old system
> of copying everything to a CD every so often that has worked for years is
> showing its age.
> So I bought a 1T drive, and formatted it ext4, it shows up as 1000gig free.
> So I copied /home off an old machine on to it, this lists as 159,323 items
> totalling 28.4GB, and now the drive is showing 899GB free.
> Does everyone just ignore this, and buy bigger drives?
> If I partition it up how many partitions do I need to make it worth the
> effort.
Using smaller partition sizes to get smaller cluster sizes is a
Microsoft-ism.
Linux extX filesystems reserve some blocks (default 5%) for root. If you
didn't override this, that probably explains the discrepancy. To check, run
as root:
# tune2fs -l /dev/sdX | grep Reserved
Finally, there's also the difference in definitions between binary and
decimal multiples; OSs usually use the former, storage vendors the latter
(<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1541>).
HTH,
Alex
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 17:40:32 +0000
From: david <david@avoncliff.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Backup drive
Message-ID: <5310CA10.8040009@avoncliff.com>
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On 28/02/14 17:02, Alex Butcher wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2014, david wrote:
>
>> I have decided I really ought to do something about backups, the old
>> system of copying everything to a CD every so often that has worked
>> for years is showing its age.
>> So I bought a 1T drive, and formatted it ext4, it shows up as 1000gig
>> free.
>> So I copied /home off an old machine on to it, this lists as 159,323
>> items totalling 28.4GB, and now the drive is showing 899GB free.
>> Does everyone just ignore this, and buy bigger drives?
>> If I partition it up how many partitions do I need to make it worth
>> the effort.
>
> Using smaller partition sizes to get smaller cluster sizes is a
> Microsoft-ism.
>
> Linux extX filesystems reserve some blocks (default 5%) for root. If you
> didn't override this, that probably explains the discrepancy. To check, run
> as root:
>
> # tune2fs -l /dev/sdX | grep Reserved
>
> Finally, there's also the difference in definitions between binary and
> decimal multiples; OSs usually use the former, storage vendors the latter
> (<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1541>).
>
Even more confused, if it is reserved by the format, why did it show up
as free before the copy. Ubuntu has joined the binary is too difficult
for users brigade, it listed it as 1T free = 1000.4GB.
Reserved block count: 12209500
Block size: 4096
So 28GB + 48GB + 899 = 25missing. I guess I stop worrying there. And
only ask for the reserved back if I get too full.
Thanks
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 18:55:47 +0000
From: Adrian Portway <adrian.portway@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Backup drive
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Hi David,
As regards deduping software I've found dupeguru pretty good and the
developer has recently opened up the source. You can find it here :
http://www.hardcoded.net/dupeguru/
Cheers,
Adrian
On 28 Feb 2014 16:54, "david" <david@avoncliff.com> wrote:
> All
> I have decided I really ought to do something about backups, the old
> system of copying everything to a CD every so often that has worked for
> years is showing its age.
> So I bought a 1T drive, and formatted it ext4, it shows up as 1000gig free.
> So I copied /home off an old machine on to it, this lists as 159,323 items
> totalling 28.4GB, and now the drive is showing 899GB free.
> Does everyone just ignore this, and buy bigger drives?
> If I partition it up how many partitions do I need to make it worth the
> effort.
>
> And as the idea is to copy several machines and some old drives on to one
> drive (all eggs in one basket ) has anyone used any deduping software for
> home use.
>
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bristol mailing list
> Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 20:29:25 +0000
From: Adrian Portway <adrian.portway@gmail.com>
To: Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [bristol] Introducing myself
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Hi everyone, just joined the mailing list and thought I'd introduce myself.
My name is Adrian Portway, I'm based in Chard. Been using Linux for about
10 years or so starting with Mandrake 9 on an old Dell Inspiron laptop.
I work as IT Manager at a firm in Devon looking after the desktops ( mostly
Windows ) and servers ( all Linux ).
Hopefully I'll be able to get up to Bristol to meet a few of you some time.
Cheers,
Adrian
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 21:12:38 +0000
From: David Fear <david@dfear.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Introducing myself
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On 28/02/14 20:29, Adrian Portway wrote:
> Hi everyone, just joined the mailing list and thought I'd introduce myself.
>
> My name is Adrian Portway, I'm based in Chard. Been using Linux for
> about 10 years or so starting with Mandrake 9 on an old Dell Inspiron
> laptop.
>
> I work as IT Manager at a firm in Devon looking after the desktops (
> mostly Windows ) and servers ( all Linux ).
>
> Hopefully I'll be able to get up to Bristol to meet a few of you some time.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adrian
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bristol mailing list
> Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
>
Hi
Welcome to the group. Hope to see you at one of the monthly meetups.
Meetings every 4th Saturday of each month at the Knights Templar pub at
Temple Quays Bristol starting from 1-30PM. For details:
http://www.bristol.lug.org.uk/.
Also you might be interested in coming to the event we are holding on
Saturday 15th March at Pervasive Media Studio (Watershed) in Bristol.
It's called "LinuxLive 2014" and it's being held to showcase how great
linux is and as alternative to Windows XP. If you would like more info
go to: www.linuxlive.co.uk.
--
Regards
-----------------------------------
Dave Fear :: david@dfear.co.uk
Order your free giffgaff SIM card through my page and get 5 pounds free
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 16:43:40 -0500
From: Nigel Sollars <nsollars@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Introducing myself
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Hi,
Welcome aboard,
As an off topic, I will be back in Bristol in June ( 24th ) until July
14th, I was hoping to meet up with everyone. Can someone point out if
there is a meeting within that scope?.
Living in Florida leaves me with a rather hefty mileage deficit.
Regards
Nige
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM, David Fear <david@dfear.co.uk> wrote:
> On 28/02/14 20:29, Adrian Portway wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, just joined the mailing list and thought I'd introduce
>> myself.
>>
>> My name is Adrian Portway, I'm based in Chard. Been using Linux for
>> about 10 years or so starting with Mandrake 9 on an old Dell Inspiron
>> laptop.
>>
>> I work as IT Manager at a firm in Devon looking after the desktops (
>> mostly Windows ) and servers ( all Linux ).
>>
>> Hopefully I'll be able to get up to Bristol to meet a few of you some
>> time.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bristol mailing list
>> Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
>>
>> Hi
>
> Welcome to the group. Hope to see you at one of the monthly meetups.
> Meetings every 4th Saturday of each month at the Knights Templar pub at
> Temple Quays Bristol starting from 1-30PM. For details:
> http://www.bristol.lug.org.uk/.
>
> Also you might be interested in coming to the event we are holding on
> Saturday 15th March at Pervasive Media Studio (Watershed) in Bristol. It's
> called "LinuxLive 2014" and it's being held to showcase how great linux is
> and as alternative to Windows XP. If you would like more info go to:
> www.linuxlive.co.uk.
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> -----------------------------------
> Dave Fear :: david@dfear.co.uk
>
> Order your free giffgaff SIM card through my page and get 5 pounds free
> credit http://t.co/z1KJF5y
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:39:30 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] tinydns mx record fields
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I'm moving dns from tinydns to a hosted solution, but don't understand some
of the existing mx records:
@mydomain.com:1.2.3.4:mail2:60
I get.
@live.mydomain.com:1.2.3.4:maillive:10
@test.mydomain.com:9.8.7.6:mailtest:10
I don't get.
What do the maillive and mailtest fields mean - i.e. can they be ignored!
Martin
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:43:38 +0000
From: James Cownie <jcownie@cantab.net>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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Wow, we'll be talking about 2N3055, and BC107, 108 and 109 soon (and no one mentioned the 709...).
--Jim
On 25 Feb 2014, at 22:14, John Honniball <coredump@gifford.co.uk> wrote:
> On 25/02/2014 19:04, david wrote:
>> I am coming a bit late to this conversation, but the Raspberry does not
>> have an analogue to digital input.
>
> Oops, that I didn't know!
>
>> ( I am sure I have got some 40 year old 741's around here somewhere )
>
> Extra geek points if they're in the round metal cans!
>
> --
> John Honniball
>
>
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Subject: [bristol] tinydns mx record fields
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I'm moving dns from tinydns to a hosted solution, but don't understand some
of the existing mx records:
@mydomain.com:1.2.3.4:mail2:60
I get.
@live.mydomain.com:1.2.3.4:maillive:10
@test.mydomain.com:9.8.7.6:mailtest:10
I don't get.
What do the maillive and mailtest fields mean - i.e. can they be ignored!
Martin
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:43:38 +0000
From: James Cownie <jcownie@cantab.net>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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Wow, we'll be talking about 2N3055, and BC107, 108 and 109 soon (and no one mentioned the 709...).
--Jim
On 25 Feb 2014, at 22:14, John Honniball <coredump@gifford.co.uk> wrote:
> On 25/02/2014 19:04, david wrote:
>> I am coming a bit late to this conversation, but the Raspberry does not
>> have an analogue to digital input.
>
> Oops, that I didn't know!
>
>> ( I am sure I have got some 40 year old 741's around here somewhere )
>
> Extra geek points if they're in the round metal cans!
>
> --
> John Honniball
>
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:23:12 +0000
From: John Honniball <coredump@gifford.co.uk>
To: andrew@1dtv.com, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
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Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/2014 18:23, Andrew wrote:
> Is there such a thing as 4 or 5 of these on a board, or even 10? We are
> thinking of setting it up to do several in parallel.
The LM324 is a quad op-amp chip. Four separate op-amps in one package.
But from the sound of the discussion, it seems like you need to consult
an electronic engineer before you go much further. If the load-cell
output is as small as you say it is, you may need to take precautions
against noise, and make a circuit that's stable against drift (with
temperature changes, for instance). I've looked at strain-gauge
circuits for small (kitchen) weighing scales, and they use a special
type of differential amplifier called an instrumentation amplifier.
Again, you can buy those in chip form.
An engineer would be able to advise you on accuracy and repeatability
of the circuit. But you'll need to be able to answer technical questions
about the performance of the circuit (numerically).
If you'd like informal advice, may I suggest that you bring the circuit
along to the Bristol Hackspace open evening? We're at 37 Philip Street
in Bedminster (across the road from the big ASDA). Open evening starts
at 7pm on Thursdays.
--
John Honniball
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:14:05 +0000
From: John Honniball <coredump@gifford.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 25/02/2014 19:04, david wrote:
> I am coming a bit late to this conversation, but the Raspberry does not
> have an analogue to digital input.
Oops, that I didn't know!
> ( I am sure I have got some 40 year old 741's around here somewhere )
Extra geek points if they're in the round metal cans!
--
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:23:12 +0000
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On 24/02/2014 18:23, Andrew wrote:
> Is there such a thing as 4 or 5 of these on a board, or even 10? We are
> thinking of setting it up to do several in parallel.
The LM324 is a quad op-amp chip. Four separate op-amps in one package.
But from the sound of the discussion, it seems like you need to consult
an electronic engineer before you go much further. If the load-cell
output is as small as you say it is, you may need to take precautions
against noise, and make a circuit that's stable against drift (with
temperature changes, for instance). I've looked at strain-gauge
circuits for small (kitchen) weighing scales, and they use a special
type of differential amplifier called an instrumentation amplifier.
Again, you can buy those in chip form.
An engineer would be able to advise you on accuracy and repeatability
of the circuit. But you'll need to be able to answer technical questions
about the performance of the circuit (numerically).
If you'd like informal advice, may I suggest that you bring the circuit
along to the Bristol Hackspace open evening? We're at 37 Philip Street
in Bedminster (across the road from the big ASDA). Open evening starts
at 7pm on Thursdays.
--
John Honniball
------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:14:05 +0000
From: John Honniball <coredump@gifford.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
Message-ID: <530D15AD.3070000@gifford.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 25/02/2014 19:04, david wrote:
> I am coming a bit late to this conversation, but the Raspberry does not
> have an analogue to digital input.
Oops, that I didn't know!
> ( I am sure I have got some 40 year old 741's around here somewhere )
Extra geek points if they're in the round metal cans!
--
John Honniball
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1. Re: Opamp - somewhat off topic (Allen Coates)
2. Re: Slony probs (Martin Moore)
3. Re: Slony probs (Colin M. Strickland)
4. Re: Slony probs (Martin Moore)
5. Re: Slony probs (Martin Moore)
6. Re: Opamp - somewhat off topic (david)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:04:02 +0000
From: Allen Coates <linux@cidercounty.org.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
Message-ID: <530C86B2.3060006@cidercounty.org.uk>
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Dave SMITH wrote:
> On 25/02/2014 01:35, Allen Coates wrote:
>> The open-loop gain of an opamp is (theoretically) infinite - in practice
>> tens of thousands. You set the stage gain using feedback resistors.
>>
>> If you amplify an analogue signal 400 times, I have a feeling you would
>> encounter problems with input noise.
>>
>> It may be better to use the opamp as a comparator, where the output is
>> logic zero if the input is below an (adjustable) threshold level, and
>> logic one if it is above. Two such comparators would give you a clear
>> Low/Acceptable/High indication.
>
> Good point, and you could then feed the result into a digital IO rather
> than needing an analogue input.
>
> I'm not sure I'd do a comparator at such low voltages, though - after
> all, the obvious way to generate the threshold voltage would be through
> a resistive voltage divider, but even if you use resistors with 1%
> tolerance (about the limit of what is widely available), you're still
> going to end up with a threshold that could vary by as much as 1000%.
I haven't played with load cells, but with strain gauges you would use a
pair of them - or a "rosette" - in a bridge type circuit. It was even
possible to stress one gauge in compression, and its partner in tension
to double the output from the bridge...
> To do the design "right", I think I'd have a first OpAmp stage with a
> gain of somewhere around 20 (giving you a voltage swing of about 100
> mV), and then feed that into a comparator.
I thought of that - just after I had pressed the <SEND> key...
> To make things even better, you could even use a voltage reference IC as
> the input to the voltage divider, so that you get a nice stable supply
> that's not wandering around as the Pi power consumption changes.
> Reference ICs generating a 1.2 V output are cheap (about 30p from RS)
> and readily available, and you'd only need one across all your channels.
Bridges tend to be insensitive to supply voltage fluctuations - but
you're right. Every little helps. I must admit, though, I like "tuning
for zero" on a ten turn pot.
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:27:02 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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Almost got londiste running - but guess what :
londiste jess2sb3.ini provider install
2014-02-25 14:08:14,472 16014 INFO plpgsql is installed
2014-02-25 14:08:14,474 16014 INFO txid_current_snapshot is installed
2014-02-25 14:08:14,474 16014 INFO pgq is installed
2014-02-25 14:08:14,475 16014 INFO Installing londiste
2014-02-25 14:08:14,475 16014 INFO Reading from
/usr/share/skytools/londiste.sql
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/londiste", line 134, in <module>
script.start()
File "/usr/bin/londiste", line 97, in start
self.script.start()
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/skytools/scripting.py", line 369,
in start
run_single_process(self, self.go_daemon, self.pidfile)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/skytools/scripting.py", line 98, in
run_single_process
runnable.run()
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/londiste/setup.py", line 73, in run
self.admin()
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/londiste/setup.py", line 176, in
admin
self.provider_install()
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/londiste/setup.py", line 227, in
provider_install
self.exec_provider(q, [self.pgq_queue_name])
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/londiste/setup.py", line 359, in
exec_provider
src_curs.execute(sql, args)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/psycopg2/extras.py", line 123, in
execute
return _cursor.execute(self, query, vars)
psycopg2.ProgrammingError: operator is not unique: unknown || integer
LINE 1: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
^
HINT: Could not choose a best candidate operator. You might need to add
explicit type casts.
QUERY: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function pgq.create_queue(text) line 34 at assignment
So, I hacked 2 of the pqc functions to cast 'id' to int and all is ok. But
only needed to do this on the provider, not the subscriber. I think there's
something odd with the setup on the provider which was the cause of the
slony problems.
I'll try and find out what's going wrong.
-----Original Message-----
From: bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Colin M. Strickland
Sent: 24 February 2014 22:26
To: Martin Moore; Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
On 24 Feb 2014, at 22:06, Martin Moore wrote:
> I'll check out skytools londiste - I only want some tables replicated,
> so can't use the built-in stuff.
Londiste is ideal for this use, (as is slony of course). It's more
lightweight, and I found it more easy to troubleshoot. I replaced the slave
db servers at last.fm replicating a couple of 100GB of catalogue metadata
via slony-1 on pg 8.3 with londiste and pg 9.1 a year or so ago, and found
the migration process fairly painless.
The most significant difference was that the londiste slaves don't enforce
any kind of read-only state on the replica tables, so I had to manage that
with user access control (I used pgbouncer to map any incoming tcp/ip
database connection down to a user with no write access)
Rather than loading scripts into the slightly cranky slonik command parser,
you just interact with the replication agent using command line tools from
the shell - "londiste subscriber add tablename" etc.
--
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:44:00 +0000
From: "Colin M. Strickland" <cms@beatworm.co.uk>
To: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>, "Bristol and Bath Linux
User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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On 25 Feb 2014, at 14:27, Martin Moore wrote:
> psycopg2.ProgrammingError: operator is not unique: unknown || integer
> LINE 1: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> ^
> HINT: Could not choose a best candidate operator. You might need to
> add
> explicit type casts.
> QUERY: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function pgq.create_queue(text) line 34 at
> assignment
This is the same category of error as before. I would expect the
database to just know how to cast integers to strings. Do you get an
exception thrown if you run something like this on the provider ?
postgres=# select 123 || ' a string ' as demonstration ;
demonstration
---------------
123 a string
(1 row)
Your database seems a bit confused about basic types and operators in a
way I find surprising.
--
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:55:51 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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select 123 || ' a string ' as demonstration ;
does indeed fail. So, I removed the cast/function I added to get 8.4 working
and it bursts into life. Obviously some work has been done on autocasting
between 8.4 and 9.3!!
I'll try slony again as we have no experience of londiste, although it does
look god.
-----Original Message-----
From: bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Colin M. Strickland
Sent: 25 February 2014 14:44
To: Martin Moore; Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
On 25 Feb 2014, at 14:27, Martin Moore wrote:
> psycopg2.ProgrammingError: operator is not unique: unknown || integer
> LINE 1: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> ^
> HINT: Could not choose a best candidate operator. You might need to
> add explicit type casts.
> QUERY: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function pgq.create_queue(text) line 34 at
> assignment
This is the same category of error as before. I would expect the database to
just know how to cast integers to strings. Do you get an exception thrown if
you run something like this on the provider ?
postgres=# select 123 || ' a string ' as demonstration ;
demonstration
---------------
123 a string
(1 row)
Your database seems a bit confused about basic types and operators in a way
I find surprising.
--
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:09:11 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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Slony has now installed OK. (at least without errors!).
Thanks for your help - that must be the hardest way to find out why slony
wasn't installing....
Martin.
-----Original Message-----
From: bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Colin M. Strickland
Sent: 25 February 2014 14:44
To: Martin Moore; Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
On 25 Feb 2014, at 14:27, Martin Moore wrote:
> psycopg2.ProgrammingError: operator is not unique: unknown || integer
> LINE 1: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> ^
> HINT: Could not choose a best candidate operator. You might need to
> add explicit type casts.
> QUERY: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function pgq.create_queue(text) line 34 at
> assignment
This is the same category of error as before. I would expect the database to
just know how to cast integers to strings. Do you get an exception thrown if
you run something like this on the provider ?
postgres=# select 123 || ' a string ' as demonstration ;
demonstration
---------------
123 a string
(1 row)
Your database seems a bit confused about basic types and operators in a way
I find surprising.
--
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:04:46 +0000
From: david <david@avoncliff.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 12:44, Andrew wrote:
> We are using a load cell to measure the amount of ink. It gives an
> output of about 5 mV. As stated by a helper "The input range on the
> Custard Pi 3 is from 0 to 2.5V. So to get the best accuracy from this
> load cell, we need an amplification of around 400 using an opamp."
I am coming a bit late to this conversation, but the Raspberry does not
have an analogue to digital input. I am not sure what they are referring
to on the Custard, but I guess that is the range of volts the digital
ports can cope with.
I would recommend using an external A->D chip, and selecting one that
has the accuracy you need at low voltage. Maybe still with low gain
amplifier, say 10x. Try search "precision fixed gain op amp"
Search "Raspberry Analogue Input" gives plenty of hits.
( I am sure I have got some 40 year old 741's around here somewhere )
David
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:04:02 +0000
From: Allen Coates <linux@cidercounty.org.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
Message-ID: <530C86B2.3060006@cidercounty.org.uk>
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Dave SMITH wrote:
> On 25/02/2014 01:35, Allen Coates wrote:
>> The open-loop gain of an opamp is (theoretically) infinite - in practice
>> tens of thousands. You set the stage gain using feedback resistors.
>>
>> If you amplify an analogue signal 400 times, I have a feeling you would
>> encounter problems with input noise.
>>
>> It may be better to use the opamp as a comparator, where the output is
>> logic zero if the input is below an (adjustable) threshold level, and
>> logic one if it is above. Two such comparators would give you a clear
>> Low/Acceptable/High indication.
>
> Good point, and you could then feed the result into a digital IO rather
> than needing an analogue input.
>
> I'm not sure I'd do a comparator at such low voltages, though - after
> all, the obvious way to generate the threshold voltage would be through
> a resistive voltage divider, but even if you use resistors with 1%
> tolerance (about the limit of what is widely available), you're still
> going to end up with a threshold that could vary by as much as 1000%.
I haven't played with load cells, but with strain gauges you would use a
pair of them - or a "rosette" - in a bridge type circuit. It was even
possible to stress one gauge in compression, and its partner in tension
to double the output from the bridge...
> To do the design "right", I think I'd have a first OpAmp stage with a
> gain of somewhere around 20 (giving you a voltage swing of about 100
> mV), and then feed that into a comparator.
I thought of that - just after I had pressed the <SEND> key...
> To make things even better, you could even use a voltage reference IC as
> the input to the voltage divider, so that you get a nice stable supply
> that's not wandering around as the Pi power consumption changes.
> Reference ICs generating a 1.2 V output are cheap (about 30p from RS)
> and readily available, and you'd only need one across all your channels.
Bridges tend to be insensitive to supply voltage fluctuations - but
you're right. Every little helps. I must admit, though, I like "tuning
for zero" on a ten turn pot.
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:27:02 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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Almost got londiste running - but guess what :
londiste jess2sb3.ini provider install
2014-02-25 14:08:14,472 16014 INFO plpgsql is installed
2014-02-25 14:08:14,474 16014 INFO txid_current_snapshot is installed
2014-02-25 14:08:14,474 16014 INFO pgq is installed
2014-02-25 14:08:14,475 16014 INFO Installing londiste
2014-02-25 14:08:14,475 16014 INFO Reading from
/usr/share/skytools/londiste.sql
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/londiste", line 134, in <module>
script.start()
File "/usr/bin/londiste", line 97, in start
self.script.start()
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/skytools/scripting.py", line 369,
in start
run_single_process(self, self.go_daemon, self.pidfile)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/skytools/scripting.py", line 98, in
run_single_process
runnable.run()
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/londiste/setup.py", line 73, in run
self.admin()
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/londiste/setup.py", line 176, in
admin
self.provider_install()
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/londiste/setup.py", line 227, in
provider_install
self.exec_provider(q, [self.pgq_queue_name])
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/londiste/setup.py", line 359, in
exec_provider
src_curs.execute(sql, args)
File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/psycopg2/extras.py", line 123, in
execute
return _cursor.execute(self, query, vars)
psycopg2.ProgrammingError: operator is not unique: unknown || integer
LINE 1: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
^
HINT: Could not choose a best candidate operator. You might need to add
explicit type casts.
QUERY: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function pgq.create_queue(text) line 34 at assignment
So, I hacked 2 of the pqc functions to cast 'id' to int and all is ok. But
only needed to do this on the provider, not the subscriber. I think there's
something odd with the setup on the provider which was the cause of the
slony problems.
I'll try and find out what's going wrong.
-----Original Message-----
From: bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Colin M. Strickland
Sent: 24 February 2014 22:26
To: Martin Moore; Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
On 24 Feb 2014, at 22:06, Martin Moore wrote:
> I'll check out skytools londiste - I only want some tables replicated,
> so can't use the built-in stuff.
Londiste is ideal for this use, (as is slony of course). It's more
lightweight, and I found it more easy to troubleshoot. I replaced the slave
db servers at last.fm replicating a couple of 100GB of catalogue metadata
via slony-1 on pg 8.3 with londiste and pg 9.1 a year or so ago, and found
the migration process fairly painless.
The most significant difference was that the londiste slaves don't enforce
any kind of read-only state on the replica tables, so I had to manage that
with user access control (I used pgbouncer to map any incoming tcp/ip
database connection down to a user with no write access)
Rather than loading scripts into the slightly cranky slonik command parser,
you just interact with the replication agent using command line tools from
the shell - "londiste subscriber add tablename" etc.
--
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:44:00 +0000
From: "Colin M. Strickland" <cms@beatworm.co.uk>
To: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>, "Bristol and Bath Linux
User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
Message-ID: <BCB5DB59-5D67-4D01-97AB-9E30EAE12D9B@beatworm.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
On 25 Feb 2014, at 14:27, Martin Moore wrote:
> psycopg2.ProgrammingError: operator is not unique: unknown || integer
> LINE 1: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> ^
> HINT: Could not choose a best candidate operator. You might need to
> add
> explicit type casts.
> QUERY: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function pgq.create_queue(text) line 34 at
> assignment
This is the same category of error as before. I would expect the
database to just know how to cast integers to strings. Do you get an
exception thrown if you run something like this on the provider ?
postgres=# select 123 || ' a string ' as demonstration ;
demonstration
---------------
123 a string
(1 row)
Your database seems a bit confused about basic types and operators in a
way I find surprising.
--
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:55:51 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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select 123 || ' a string ' as demonstration ;
does indeed fail. So, I removed the cast/function I added to get 8.4 working
and it bursts into life. Obviously some work has been done on autocasting
between 8.4 and 9.3!!
I'll try slony again as we have no experience of londiste, although it does
look god.
-----Original Message-----
From: bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Colin M. Strickland
Sent: 25 February 2014 14:44
To: Martin Moore; Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
On 25 Feb 2014, at 14:27, Martin Moore wrote:
> psycopg2.ProgrammingError: operator is not unique: unknown || integer
> LINE 1: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> ^
> HINT: Could not choose a best candidate operator. You might need to
> add explicit type casts.
> QUERY: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function pgq.create_queue(text) line 34 at
> assignment
This is the same category of error as before. I would expect the database to
just know how to cast integers to strings. Do you get an exception thrown if
you run something like this on the provider ?
postgres=# select 123 || ' a string ' as demonstration ;
demonstration
---------------
123 a string
(1 row)
Your database seems a bit confused about basic types and operators in a way
I find surprising.
--
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:09:11 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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Slony has now installed OK. (at least without errors!).
Thanks for your help - that must be the hardest way to find out why slony
wasn't installing....
Martin.
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From: bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Colin M. Strickland
Sent: 25 February 2014 14:44
To: Martin Moore; Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
On 25 Feb 2014, at 14:27, Martin Moore wrote:
> psycopg2.ProgrammingError: operator is not unique: unknown || integer
> LINE 1: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> ^
> HINT: Could not choose a best candidate operator. You might need to
> add explicit type casts.
> QUERY: SELECT 'pgq.event_' || id
> CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function pgq.create_queue(text) line 34 at
> assignment
This is the same category of error as before. I would expect the database to
just know how to cast integers to strings. Do you get an exception thrown if
you run something like this on the provider ?
postgres=# select 123 || ' a string ' as demonstration ;
demonstration
---------------
123 a string
(1 row)
Your database seems a bit confused about basic types and operators in a way
I find surprising.
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:04:46 +0000
From: david <david@avoncliff.com>
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Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 12:44, Andrew wrote:
> We are using a load cell to measure the amount of ink. It gives an
> output of about 5 mV. As stated by a helper "The input range on the
> Custard Pi 3 is from 0 to 2.5V. So to get the best accuracy from this
> load cell, we need an amplification of around 400 using an opamp."
I am coming a bit late to this conversation, but the Raspberry does not
have an analogue to digital input. I am not sure what they are referring
to on the Custard, but I guess that is the range of volts the digital
ports can cope with.
I would recommend using an external A->D chip, and selecting one that
has the accuracy you need at low voltage. Maybe still with low gain
amplifier, say 10x. Try search "precision fixed gain op amp"
Search "Raspberry Analogue Input" gives plenty of hits.
( I am sure I have got some 40 year old 741's around here somewhere )
David
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From: "Andrew"
Thanks for that.
Is there such a thing as 4 or 5 of these on a board, or even 10? We
are thinking of setting it up to do several in parallel.
Well, if you'd told me that.... :)
In that case, I'd look at something like the MCP6004-I/P - four on a
chip.? Whether you use single, dual or quad-device ICs, you won't
get them "on a board" - you'll need to build your own board, but if
you don't want to go to the lengths of doing a PCB design, you can
just use Veroboard (or similar) for something this simple, or maybe
your Pi extension board has a little prototyping area?
You can get 8 devices on a single chip, but then you're starting to
get into packages that don't play well with Veroboard/breadboard so
you would have to design a "proper" PCB or do a really nasty hack.
Also, look at buying them from RS rather than eBay - eBay price is
?2.66 each, RS price is 31p+VAT with an order multiple of 10 - so,
for ?3.72 you'll get 10 quad-device chips, which is cheaper than two
from eBay.? I guess it depends on how easy it is for you to get to
their trade counter in St Philips.
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From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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Thanks Colin - Slony was removed from the dump (I think!) so should be OK
there, and the server is a clean install. I did look at the slony functions
but still can't see what the problem is - and I don't want to start playing
around in that area !!
I'll check out skytools londiste - I only want some tables replicated, so
can't use the built-in stuff.
Martin
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[mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Colin M. Strickland
Sent: 24 February 2014 21:33
To: Martin Moore; Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:17, Martin Moore wrote:
> I've restored a postgres 8.4 database onto a 9.3 installation (on
> Debian Jessie).
>
> Running a script (as used in 8.4 so may need to be changed, but can't
> find
> anything) which contains the following
>
>
Hmm, slony can be brittle. All of your errors seem to be thrown from inside
the slony stored procedures where attempts to cast ints to text.
I'm afraid I haven't worked with it for a couple of years now, and my memory
is rusty :-/
A couple of thoughts. There was a change in implicit casting behaviour
between 8.2 and 8.3 after which all sorts of implied casts to text types
stopped working without explicit type casting. Is it possible you've got
some pre 8.3 stored procedure code installed into the 9.3 database somehow?
How did the slony code get installed ? I'm not sure you can reliably deploy
the slony server components into a database via a pg_dump, might that have
happened. I think you might need to install slony separately from your
database restore, load your dataset and then rebuild the slony replication
sets and resync your slaves from scratch.
If you don't absolutely have to go with slony for userspace replication, I'd
suggest looking into skytools londiste as a fairly drop-in replacement. It's
a little bit more robust than slony, works on basically the same principles,
and the python user tools are nice and simple to use IMO. (You might also be
able to use 9.3 streaming replication instead of trigger-based replication,
if your replication requirement is to slave your entire dataset)
Sorry if I'm failing to address your actual question usefully, I don't have
a slony installation to hand to inspect. If I did, I'd be tempted to examine
the source of those sprocs and hand-reproduce the error by calling them
directly with similar arguments.
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:25:55 +0000
From: "Colin M. Strickland" <cms@beatworm.co.uk>
To: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>, "Bristol and Bath Linux
User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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On 24 Feb 2014, at 22:06, Martin Moore wrote:
> I'll check out skytools londiste - I only want some tables replicated,
> so
> can't use the built-in stuff.
Londiste is ideal for this use, (as is slony of course). It's more
lightweight, and I found it more easy to troubleshoot. I replaced the
slave db servers at last.fm replicating a couple of 100GB of catalogue
metadata via slony-1 on pg 8.3 with londiste and pg 9.1 a year or so
ago, and found the migration process fairly painless.
The most significant difference was that the londiste slaves don't
enforce any kind of read-only state on the replica tables, so I had to
manage that with user access control (I used pgbouncer to map any
incoming tcp/ip database connection down to a user with no write access)
Rather than loading scripts into the slightly cranky slonik command
parser, you just interact with the replication agent using command line
tools from the shell - "londiste subscriber add tablename" etc.
--
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 00:35:10 +0000
From: Allen Coates <linux@cidercounty.org.uk>
To: andrew@1dtv.com, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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The open-loop gain of an opamp is (theoretically) infinite - in practice
tens of thousands. You set the stage gain using feedback resistors.
If you amplify an analogue signal 400 times, I have a feeling you would
encounter problems with input noise.
It may be better to use the opamp as a comparator, where the output is
logic zero if the input is below an (adjustable) threshold level, and
logic one if it is above. Two such comparators would give you a clear
Low/Acceptable/High indication.
Hope this helps
Allen C
Andrew wrote:
> Greetings luggers
>
> Still progressing slowly on the project to get a raspberry pi working to
> fill ink cartridges.
>
> We are using a load cell to measure the amount of ink. It gives an
> output of about 5 mV. As stated by a helper "The input range on the
> Custard Pi 3 is from 0 to 2.5V. So to get the best accuracy from this
> load cell, we need an amplification of around 400 using an opamp."
>
> Does anyone know if I can get this opamp off the shelf, or whether it
> would have to be custom made.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:35:41 +0100
From: Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 25/02/2014 01:35, Allen Coates wrote:
> The open-loop gain of an opamp is (theoretically) infinite - in practice
> tens of thousands. You set the stage gain using feedback resistors.
>
> If you amplify an analogue signal 400 times, I have a feeling you would
> encounter problems with input noise.
>
> It may be better to use the opamp as a comparator, where the output is
> logic zero if the input is below an (adjustable) threshold level, and
> logic one if it is above. Two such comparators would give you a clear
> Low/Acceptable/High indication.
Good point, and you could then feed the result into a digital IO rather
than needing an analogue input.
I'm not sure I'd do a comparator at such low voltages, though - after
all, the obvious way to generate the threshold voltage would be through
a resistive voltage divider, but even if you use resistors with 1%
tolerance (about the limit of what is widely available), you're still
going to end up with a threshold that could vary by as much as 1000%.
To do the design "right", I think I'd have a first OpAmp stage with a
gain of somewhere around 20 (giving you a voltage swing of about 100
mV), and then feed that into a comparator.
To make things even better, you could even use a voltage reference IC as
the input to the voltage divider, so that you get a nice stable supply
that's not wandering around as the Pi power consumption changes.
Reference ICs generating a 1.2 V output are cheap (about 30p from RS)
and readily available, and you'd only need one across all your channels.
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From: "Andrew"
Thanks for that.
Is there such a thing as 4 or 5 of these on a board, or even 10? We
are thinking of setting it up to do several in parallel.
Well, if you'd told me that.... :)
In that case, I'd look at something like the MCP6004-I/P - four on a
chip.? Whether you use single, dual or quad-device ICs, you won't
get them "on a board" - you'll need to build your own board, but if
you don't want to go to the lengths of doing a PCB design, you can
just use Veroboard (or similar) for something this simple, or maybe
your Pi extension board has a little prototyping area?
You can get 8 devices on a single chip, but then you're starting to
get into packages that don't play well with Veroboard/breadboard so
you would have to design a "proper" PCB or do a really nasty hack.
Also, look at buying them from RS rather than eBay - eBay price is
?2.66 each, RS price is 31p+VAT with an order multiple of 10 - so,
for ?3.72 you'll get 10 quad-device chips, which is cheaper than two
from eBay.? I guess it depends on how easy it is for you to get to
their trade counter in St Philips.
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From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
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Thanks Colin - Slony was removed from the dump (I think!) so should be OK
there, and the server is a clean install. I did look at the slony functions
but still can't see what the problem is - and I don't want to start playing
around in that area !!
I'll check out skytools londiste - I only want some tables replicated, so
can't use the built-in stuff.
Martin
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[mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Colin M. Strickland
Sent: 24 February 2014 21:33
To: Martin Moore; Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:17, Martin Moore wrote:
> I've restored a postgres 8.4 database onto a 9.3 installation (on
> Debian Jessie).
>
> Running a script (as used in 8.4 so may need to be changed, but can't
> find
> anything) which contains the following
>
>
Hmm, slony can be brittle. All of your errors seem to be thrown from inside
the slony stored procedures where attempts to cast ints to text.
I'm afraid I haven't worked with it for a couple of years now, and my memory
is rusty :-/
A couple of thoughts. There was a change in implicit casting behaviour
between 8.2 and 8.3 after which all sorts of implied casts to text types
stopped working without explicit type casting. Is it possible you've got
some pre 8.3 stored procedure code installed into the 9.3 database somehow?
How did the slony code get installed ? I'm not sure you can reliably deploy
the slony server components into a database via a pg_dump, might that have
happened. I think you might need to install slony separately from your
database restore, load your dataset and then rebuild the slony replication
sets and resync your slaves from scratch.
If you don't absolutely have to go with slony for userspace replication, I'd
suggest looking into skytools londiste as a fairly drop-in replacement. It's
a little bit more robust than slony, works on basically the same principles,
and the python user tools are nice and simple to use IMO. (You might also be
able to use 9.3 streaming replication instead of trigger-based replication,
if your replication requirement is to slave your entire dataset)
Sorry if I'm failing to address your actual question usefully, I don't have
a slony installation to hand to inspect. If I did, I'd be tempted to examine
the source of those sprocs and hand-reproduce the error by calling them
directly with similar arguments.
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:25:55 +0000
From: "Colin M. Strickland" <cms@beatworm.co.uk>
To: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>, "Bristol and Bath Linux
User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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On 24 Feb 2014, at 22:06, Martin Moore wrote:
> I'll check out skytools londiste - I only want some tables replicated,
> so
> can't use the built-in stuff.
Londiste is ideal for this use, (as is slony of course). It's more
lightweight, and I found it more easy to troubleshoot. I replaced the
slave db servers at last.fm replicating a couple of 100GB of catalogue
metadata via slony-1 on pg 8.3 with londiste and pg 9.1 a year or so
ago, and found the migration process fairly painless.
The most significant difference was that the londiste slaves don't
enforce any kind of read-only state on the replica tables, so I had to
manage that with user access control (I used pgbouncer to map any
incoming tcp/ip database connection down to a user with no write access)
Rather than loading scripts into the slightly cranky slonik command
parser, you just interact with the replication agent using command line
tools from the shell - "londiste subscriber add tablename" etc.
--
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 00:35:10 +0000
From: Allen Coates <linux@cidercounty.org.uk>
To: andrew@1dtv.com, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
Message-ID: <530BE53E.70404@cidercounty.org.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
The open-loop gain of an opamp is (theoretically) infinite - in practice
tens of thousands. You set the stage gain using feedback resistors.
If you amplify an analogue signal 400 times, I have a feeling you would
encounter problems with input noise.
It may be better to use the opamp as a comparator, where the output is
logic zero if the input is below an (adjustable) threshold level, and
logic one if it is above. Two such comparators would give you a clear
Low/Acceptable/High indication.
Hope this helps
Allen C
Andrew wrote:
> Greetings luggers
>
> Still progressing slowly on the project to get a raspberry pi working to
> fill ink cartridges.
>
> We are using a load cell to measure the amount of ink. It gives an
> output of about 5 mV. As stated by a helper "The input range on the
> Custard Pi 3 is from 0 to 2.5V. So to get the best accuracy from this
> load cell, we need an amplification of around 400 using an opamp."
>
> Does anyone know if I can get this opamp off the shelf, or whether it
> would have to be custom made.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:35:41 +0100
From: Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
Message-ID: <530C71FD.2090303@st.com>
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On 25/02/2014 01:35, Allen Coates wrote:
> The open-loop gain of an opamp is (theoretically) infinite - in practice
> tens of thousands. You set the stage gain using feedback resistors.
>
> If you amplify an analogue signal 400 times, I have a feeling you would
> encounter problems with input noise.
>
> It may be better to use the opamp as a comparator, where the output is
> logic zero if the input is below an (adjustable) threshold level, and
> logic one if it is above. Two such comparators would give you a clear
> Low/Acceptable/High indication.
Good point, and you could then feed the result into a digital IO rather
than needing an analogue input.
I'm not sure I'd do a comparator at such low voltages, though - after
all, the obvious way to generate the threshold voltage would be through
a resistive voltage divider, but even if you use resistors with 1%
tolerance (about the limit of what is widely available), you're still
going to end up with a threshold that could vary by as much as 1000%.
To do the design "right", I think I'd have a first OpAmp stage with a
gain of somewhere around 20 (giving you a voltage swing of about 100
mV), and then feed that into a comparator.
To make things even better, you could even use a voltage reference IC as
the input to the voltage divider, so that you get a nice stable supply
that's not wandering around as the Pi power consumption changes.
Reference ICs generating a 1.2 V output are cheap (about 30p from RS)
and readily available, and you'd only need one across all your channels.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:26:07 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] quad core blimey
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On 24/02/14 18:18, bblug@gascoigne19.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
>
> >On 24/02/14 14:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
>
> >"Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still
> existed! I remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
>
> >Things certainly change. It used to be Cor blimey. I presume you are
> on the new quad core blimey!
>
> 'New' quad-core? Surely we're up to hex-core now, possibly even oct-core?
>
> John
>
Yes, but he did say he was behind the times.
And hex core blimey might mean bad magic.
And oct core blimey could just be a bad month.
Though in this company I guess it is always going to be taken as factors
of 2.
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From: <bblug@gascoigne19.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <andrew@1dtv.com>, "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'"
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>On 24/02/14 18:18, bblug@gascoigne19.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
>>On 24/02/14 14:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
>>"Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still existed! I
remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
>>Things certainly change. It used to be Cor blimey. I presume you are on
the new quad core blimey!
>
>?New? quad-core? Surely we?re up to hex-core now, possibly even oct-core?
>
>John
>Yes, but he did say he was behind the times.
Good point, well presented?
>And hex core blimey might mean bad magic.
Possibly, but better that it doesn?t?
>And oct core blimey could just be a bad month.
How d?ya figure? Isn?t that just a pair of quad-core blimeys (blimies)?
>Though in this company I guess it is always going to be taken as factors of
2.
Don?t get started on the factors? That?s only gonna cause problems!
John (armed with ?0.02)
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From: John Daragon <john@blacklabs.co.uk>
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Andrew wrote...
Is there such a thing as 4 or 5 of these on a board, or even 10? We are thinking of setting it up to do several in parallel.
Google "quad op amp" or "octo op amp" - 4 or 8 of the little blighters on a single chip.
jd
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:33:03 +0000
From: "Colin M. Strickland" <cms@beatworm.co.uk>
To: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>, "Bristol and Bath Linux
User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:17, Martin Moore wrote:
> I've restored a postgres 8.4 database onto a 9.3 installation (on
> Debian
> Jessie).
>
> Running a script (as used in 8.4 so may need to be changed, but can't
> find
> anything) which contains the following
>
>
Hmm, slony can be brittle. All of your errors seem to be thrown from
inside the slony stored procedures where attempts to cast ints to text.
I'm afraid I haven't worked with it for a couple of years now, and my
memory is rusty :-/
A couple of thoughts. There was a change in implicit casting behaviour
between 8.2 and 8.3 after which all sorts of implied casts to text types
stopped working without explicit type casting. Is it possible you've got
some pre 8.3 stored procedure code installed into the 9.3 database
somehow?
How did the slony code get installed ? I'm not sure you can reliably
deploy the slony server components into a database via a pg_dump, might
that have happened. I think you might need to install slony separately
from your database restore, load your dataset and then rebuild the slony
replication sets and resync your slaves from scratch.
If you don't absolutely have to go with slony for userspace replication,
I'd suggest looking into skytools londiste as a fairly drop-in
replacement. It's a little bit more robust than slony, works on
basically the same principles, and the python user tools are nice and
simple to use IMO. (You might also be able to use 9.3 streaming
replication instead of trigger-based replication, if your replication
requirement is to slave your entire dataset)
Sorry if I'm failing to address your actual question usefully, I don't
have a slony installation to hand to inspect. If I did, I'd be tempted
to examine the source of those sprocs and hand-reproduce the error by
calling them directly with similar arguments.
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:26:07 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
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On 24/02/14 18:18, bblug@gascoigne19.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
>
> >On 24/02/14 14:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
>
> >"Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still
> existed! I remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
>
> >Things certainly change. It used to be Cor blimey. I presume you are
> on the new quad core blimey!
>
> 'New' quad-core? Surely we're up to hex-core now, possibly even oct-core?
>
> John
>
Yes, but he did say he was behind the times.
And hex core blimey might mean bad magic.
And oct core blimey could just be a bad month.
Though in this company I guess it is always going to be taken as factors
of 2.
Andrew
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To: <andrew@1dtv.com>, "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'"
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>On 24/02/14 18:18, bblug@gascoigne19.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
>>On 24/02/14 14:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
>>"Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still existed! I
remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
>>Things certainly change. It used to be Cor blimey. I presume you are on
the new quad core blimey!
>
>?New? quad-core? Surely we?re up to hex-core now, possibly even oct-core?
>
>John
>Yes, but he did say he was behind the times.
Good point, well presented?
>And hex core blimey might mean bad magic.
Possibly, but better that it doesn?t?
>And oct core blimey could just be a bad month.
How d?ya figure? Isn?t that just a pair of quad-core blimeys (blimies)?
>Though in this company I guess it is always going to be taken as factors of
2.
Don?t get started on the factors? That?s only gonna cause problems!
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From: John Daragon <john@blacklabs.co.uk>
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Andrew wrote...
Is there such a thing as 4 or 5 of these on a board, or even 10? We are thinking of setting it up to do several in parallel.
Google "quad op amp" or "octo op amp" - 4 or 8 of the little blighters on a single chip.
jd
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From: "Colin M. Strickland" <cms@beatworm.co.uk>
To: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>, "Bristol and Bath Linux
User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Slony probs
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On 24 Feb 2014, at 15:17, Martin Moore wrote:
> I've restored a postgres 8.4 database onto a 9.3 installation (on
> Debian
> Jessie).
>
> Running a script (as used in 8.4 so may need to be changed, but can't
> find
> anything) which contains the following
>
>
Hmm, slony can be brittle. All of your errors seem to be thrown from
inside the slony stored procedures where attempts to cast ints to text.
I'm afraid I haven't worked with it for a couple of years now, and my
memory is rusty :-/
A couple of thoughts. There was a change in implicit casting behaviour
between 8.2 and 8.3 after which all sorts of implied casts to text types
stopped working without explicit type casting. Is it possible you've got
some pre 8.3 stored procedure code installed into the 9.3 database
somehow?
How did the slony code get installed ? I'm not sure you can reliably
deploy the slony server components into a database via a pg_dump, might
that have happened. I think you might need to install slony separately
from your database restore, load your dataset and then rebuild the slony
replication sets and resync your slaves from scratch.
If you don't absolutely have to go with slony for userspace replication,
I'd suggest looking into skytools londiste as a fairly drop-in
replacement. It's a little bit more robust than slony, works on
basically the same principles, and the python user tools are nice and
simple to use IMO. (You might also be able to use 9.3 streaming
replication instead of trigger-based replication, if your replication
requirement is to slave your entire dataset)
Sorry if I'm failing to address your actual question usefully, I don't
have a slony installation to hand to inspect. If I did, I'd be tempted
to examine the source of those sprocs and hand-reproduce the error by
calling them directly with similar arguments.
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:48:11 +0100
From: Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com>
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On 24/02/2014 15:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
> Generally if you are designating a circuit you should have an idea of
> what you want regards supply voltage and type of encapsulation etc. If
> you are makin a high gain amp you may have to remove any offset voltage
> or buy an amp that can compensate for it. Bandwidth also varies with
> feedback (as I recall) but should not be a problem with your use.
Andrew:
Yes, one thing you need to watch out for in particular is how close the
output can get to the power rails, and whether the OpAmp has single or
twin supply.
In some cases, you might have a minimum output voltage of a few hundred
millivolts above GND, and a maximum of a few hundred millivolts below
VDD. You probably want a "rail-to-rail" design which allows you to go
all the way to the supply voltage rails; at least all the way down to GND.
Also, some OpAmps require a dual supply (e.g. +5 V, GND, -5 V), so you
probably want one with a single supply.
I've not been able to check the spec of the one you mentioned; I'll do
it when I get the chance.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:54:05 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 16:48, Dave SMITH wrote:
> On 24/02/2014 15:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
>> Generally if you are designating a circuit you should have an idea of
>> what you want regards supply voltage and type of encapsulation etc. If
>> you are makin a high gain amp you may have to remove any offset voltage
>> or buy an amp that can compensate for it. Bandwidth also varies with
>> feedback (as I recall) but should not be a problem with your use.
> Andrew:
>
> Yes, one thing you need to watch out for in particular is how close the
> output can get to the power rails, and whether the OpAmp has single or
> twin supply.
>
> In some cases, you might have a minimum output voltage of a few hundred
> millivolts above GND, and a maximum of a few hundred millivolts below
> VDD. You probably want a "rail-to-rail" design which allows you to go
> all the way to the supply voltage rails; at least all the way down to GND.
>
> Also, some OpAmps require a dual supply (e.g. +5 V, GND, -5 V), so you
> probably want one with a single supply.
>
> I've not been able to check the spec of the one you mentioned; I'll do
> it when I get the chance.
Thanks again. Great having someone knowledgable on the case.
Andrew
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From: Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: andrew@1dtv.com, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
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On 24/02/14 14:43, Andrew wrote:
> On 24/02/14 14:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
>> "Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still existed! I
>> remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
> Things certainly change. It used to be Cor blimey. I presume you are on
> the new quad core blimey!
Very Good!
(sinks back into armchair and goes to sleep)
>
>
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:17:32 +0000
From: david.smith@ds-electronics.co.uk
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From: "Andrew"
On 24/02/14 14:02, Matt Dainty wrote:
I was looking at a circuit for use with a Pi that featured an OpAmp
and that used a CA3140 part. I note in the features it's a
replacement for the 741 that Dave suggested. HTH Matt Thank you
Matt, a help indeed. And they are cheap and plentiful on Ebay. Seems
like the problem is solved.
Actually, I think that the CA3140 probably isn't the best choice - it
has a minimum supply voltage of 4 V, and the Custard Pi seems to be
mostly 3.3 V based.? Also, the minimum output voltage is about 130
mV.
I think I would probably suggest something like the Microchip
MCP6231, as it can be supplied down to 3 V, and the output voltage
can swing to within 35 mV of both power rails.
As for price, both of them are available on eBay, although the eBay
price seems to be about 10X the RS price (although on RS you
typically have to order in quantities of 20, and you'll need to
collect it from the counter in Bristol if you want to avoid the
punitive postage charges).
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:18:35 -0000
From: <bblug@gascoigne19.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] quad core blimey
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>On 24/02/14 14:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
>"Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still existed! I
remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
>Things certainly change. It used to be Cor blimey. I presume you are on the
new quad core blimey!
'New' quad-core? Surely we're up to hex-core now, possibly even oct-core?
John
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:23:28 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 18:17, david.smith@ds-electronics.co.uk wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> "Andrew" <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
>
>
> On 24/02/14 14:02, Matt Dainty wrote:
>
> I was looking at a circuit for use with a Pi that featured an
> OpAmp and that used a CA3140 part. I note in the features it's
> a replacement for the 741 that Dave suggested. HTH Matt
>
> Thank you Matt, a help indeed. And they are cheap and plentiful on
> Ebay. Seems like the problem is solved.
>
> Actually, I think that the CA3140 probably isn't the best choice - it
> has a minimum supply voltage of 4 V, and the Custard Pi seems to be
> mostly 3.3 V based. Also, the minimum output voltage is about 130 mV.
>
> I think I would probably suggest something like the Microchip MCP6231,
> as it can be supplied down to 3 V, and the output voltage can swing to
> within 35 mV of both power rails.
>
> As for price, both of them are available on eBay, although the eBay
> price seems to be about 10X the RS price (although on RS you typically
> have to order in quantities of 20, and you'll need to collect it from
> the counter in Bristol if you want to avoid the punitive postage charges).
>
Thanks for that.
Is there such a thing as 4 or 5 of these on a board, or even 10? We are
thinking of setting it up to do several in parallel.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:48:11 +0100
From: Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com>
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On 24/02/2014 15:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
> Generally if you are designating a circuit you should have an idea of
> what you want regards supply voltage and type of encapsulation etc. If
> you are makin a high gain amp you may have to remove any offset voltage
> or buy an amp that can compensate for it. Bandwidth also varies with
> feedback (as I recall) but should not be a problem with your use.
Andrew:
Yes, one thing you need to watch out for in particular is how close the
output can get to the power rails, and whether the OpAmp has single or
twin supply.
In some cases, you might have a minimum output voltage of a few hundred
millivolts above GND, and a maximum of a few hundred millivolts below
VDD. You probably want a "rail-to-rail" design which allows you to go
all the way to the supply voltage rails; at least all the way down to GND.
Also, some OpAmps require a dual supply (e.g. +5 V, GND, -5 V), so you
probably want one with a single supply.
I've not been able to check the spec of the one you mentioned; I'll do
it when I get the chance.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:54:05 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 16:48, Dave SMITH wrote:
> On 24/02/2014 15:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
>> Generally if you are designating a circuit you should have an idea of
>> what you want regards supply voltage and type of encapsulation etc. If
>> you are makin a high gain amp you may have to remove any offset voltage
>> or buy an amp that can compensate for it. Bandwidth also varies with
>> feedback (as I recall) but should not be a problem with your use.
> Andrew:
>
> Yes, one thing you need to watch out for in particular is how close the
> output can get to the power rails, and whether the OpAmp has single or
> twin supply.
>
> In some cases, you might have a minimum output voltage of a few hundred
> millivolts above GND, and a maximum of a few hundred millivolts below
> VDD. You probably want a "rail-to-rail" design which allows you to go
> all the way to the supply voltage rails; at least all the way down to GND.
>
> Also, some OpAmps require a dual supply (e.g. +5 V, GND, -5 V), so you
> probably want one with a single supply.
>
> I've not been able to check the spec of the one you mentioned; I'll do
> it when I get the chance.
Thanks again. Great having someone knowledgable on the case.
Andrew
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From: Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: andrew@1dtv.com, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
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On 24/02/14 14:43, Andrew wrote:
> On 24/02/14 14:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
>> "Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still existed! I
>> remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
> Things certainly change. It used to be Cor blimey. I presume you are on
> the new quad core blimey!
Very Good!
(sinks back into armchair and goes to sleep)
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:17:32 +0000
From: david.smith@ds-electronics.co.uk
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Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew"
On 24/02/14 14:02, Matt Dainty wrote:
I was looking at a circuit for use with a Pi that featured an OpAmp
and that used a CA3140 part. I note in the features it's a
replacement for the 741 that Dave suggested. HTH Matt Thank you
Matt, a help indeed. And they are cheap and plentiful on Ebay. Seems
like the problem is solved.
Actually, I think that the CA3140 probably isn't the best choice - it
has a minimum supply voltage of 4 V, and the Custard Pi seems to be
mostly 3.3 V based.? Also, the minimum output voltage is about 130
mV.
I think I would probably suggest something like the Microchip
MCP6231, as it can be supplied down to 3 V, and the output voltage
can swing to within 35 mV of both power rails.
As for price, both of them are available on eBay, although the eBay
price seems to be about 10X the RS price (although on RS you
typically have to order in quantities of 20, and you'll need to
collect it from the counter in Bristol if you want to avoid the
punitive postage charges).
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:18:35 -0000
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To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] quad core blimey
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>On 24/02/14 14:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
>"Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still existed! I
remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
>Things certainly change. It used to be Cor blimey. I presume you are on the
new quad core blimey!
'New' quad-core? Surely we're up to hex-core now, possibly even oct-core?
John
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:23:28 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 18:17, david.smith@ds-electronics.co.uk wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> "Andrew" <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
>
>
> On 24/02/14 14:02, Matt Dainty wrote:
>
> I was looking at a circuit for use with a Pi that featured an
> OpAmp and that used a CA3140 part. I note in the features it's
> a replacement for the 741 that Dave suggested. HTH Matt
>
> Thank you Matt, a help indeed. And they are cheap and plentiful on
> Ebay. Seems like the problem is solved.
>
> Actually, I think that the CA3140 probably isn't the best choice - it
> has a minimum supply voltage of 4 V, and the Custard Pi seems to be
> mostly 3.3 V based. Also, the minimum output voltage is about 130 mV.
>
> I think I would probably suggest something like the Microchip MCP6231,
> as it can be supplied down to 3 V, and the output voltage can swing to
> within 35 mV of both power rails.
>
> As for price, both of them are available on eBay, although the eBay
> price seems to be about 10X the RS price (although on RS you typically
> have to order in quantities of 20, and you'll need to collect it from
> the counter in Bristol if you want to avoid the punitive postage charges).
>
Thanks for that.
Is there such a thing as 4 or 5 of these on a board, or even 10? We are
thinking of setting it up to do several in parallel.
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:02:12 -0500
From: Matt Dainty <matt@bodgit-n-scarper.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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* Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com> [2014-02-24 08:50:44]:
> On 24/02/2014 14:25, Andrew wrote:
> > How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
> > elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
> > seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
>
> You just want a general-purpose OpAmp. I don't have any datasheets to
> hand so I'm not sure what to recommend I'm afraid. Many years ago, the
> standard would've been the 741, but that's been well and truly
> superceeded nowadays. When I've got a bit of time (I'm currently at
> work in a meeting), I'll do a bit more digging around to give you some
> suggestions.
>
> In reality, however, virtually any OpAmp you can buy will probably do
> what you want, as your requirements are not particularly taxing.
I was looking at a circuit for use with a Pi that featured an OpAmp and
that used a CA3140 part. I note in the features it's a replacement for
the 741 that Dave suggested.
HTH
Matt
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:08:11 +0000
From: Tim Wintle <timwintle@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Thoughts on WhatsApp?
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On Sun, 2014-02-23 at 20:09 +0000, Mike Yates wrote:
> For those who haven't noticed, the price paid by Facebook for WhatsApp
> is the result of the latter's abuse of Android (and IOS)
> "Permissions".
I'm going to dispute that statement ..
All the big names aren't necessarily trying to grab cash out of mobiles
at the moment: They just want to be in a market-leading position to make
money out of stuff once that happens.
The money-centre of mobile hasn't been defined yet: it could be payments
(i.e. mobile payments with NFC are trying to take over from credit card
companies), it could be media rentals (e.g. Google Play), or it could be
something completely different.
i.e. Facebook were willing to pay that (frankly rediculous) price for
Whatsapp because they don't want another competitor in the field. Google
apparently bid the price up that far: presumably because they want
hangouts to be *the* way that people communicate in a post-sms and
standard phone call world.
Twitter is still afloat for the same reason: having the eyeballs *might*
lead to some way to make money in the future, even though there's no
prospect right at the moment.
I.e. the value is about owning the user's experience: not about the
contacts. I honestly think the fact your phonebook gets uploaded to
whatsapp is due to no more than dumb systems design.
Tim
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:12:19 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 14:02, Matt Dainty wrote:
> * Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com> [2014-02-24 08:50:44]:
>> On 24/02/2014 14:25, Andrew wrote:
>>> How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
>>> elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
>>> seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
>> You just want a general-purpose OpAmp. I don't have any datasheets to
>> hand so I'm not sure what to recommend I'm afraid. Many years ago, the
>> standard would've been the 741, but that's been well and truly
>> superceeded nowadays. When I've got a bit of time (I'm currently at
>> work in a meeting), I'll do a bit more digging around to give you some
>> suggestions.
>>
>> In reality, however, virtually any OpAmp you can buy will probably do
>> what you want, as your requirements are not particularly taxing.
> I was looking at a circuit for use with a Pi that featured an OpAmp and
> that used a CA3140 part. I note in the features it's a replacement for
> the 741 that Dave suggested.
>
> HTH
>
> Matt
Thank you Matt, a help indeed. And they are cheap and plentiful on Ebay.
Seems like the problem is solved.
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:16:20 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: andrew@1dtv.com, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
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On 24/02/14 13:25, Andrew wrote:
> On 24/02/14 13:13, Dave SMITH wrote:
>> On 24/02/2014 13:46, Andrew wrote:
>>> ps I forgot to mention that I have done a load of googling but I am not
>>> coming up with anything I understand.
>> Have a look at the "closed loop, non-inverting" section of the OpAmp
>> page on Wikipedia. There's a circuit diagram showing how you connect up
>> an OpAmp with two resistors to define the gain you want.
>>
> Thanks Dave. That looks really simple.
>
> How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
> elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
> seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
Sorry for butting in Dave,
"Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still existed! I
remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
Generally if you are designating a circuit you should have an idea of
what you want regards supply voltage and type of encapsulation etc. If
you are makin a high gain amp you may have to remove any offset voltage
or buy an amp that can compensate for it. Bandwidth also varies with
feedback (as I recall) but should not be a problem with your use.
When these came out, they revolutionized the electronics industry as
they could be used in so many different ways and were so cheap (ah those
were the days).
PS just saw other posts, there are a lot more on this list with newer
knowledge on OpAmps than me, good luck.
(goes back to armchair to relax in the knowledge that some thing learnt
many years ago are still extant!)
> Andrew
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:43:53 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] quad core blimey
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On 24/02/14 14:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
> "Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still existed! I
> remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
Things certainly change. It used to be Cor blimey. I presume you are on
the new quad core blimey!
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 15:17:36 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Slony probs
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I've restored a postgres 8.4 database onto a 9.3 installation (on Debian
Jessie).
Running a script (as used in 8.4 so may need to be changed, but can't find
anything) which contains the following
define CLUSTER T1;
define PRIMARY 1;
define SLAVE 10;
cluster name = @CLUSTER;
define origin1 origin = @PRIMARY;
define origin2 origin = @SLAVE;
define primary id = @PRIMARY;
define slave id = @SLAVE;
define set_user_admin id = 10001;
node @PRIMARY admin conninfo = 'dbname=myname host=localhost user=slony';
node @SLAVE admin conninfo = 'dbname=myname host=slave.host.com user=slony';
create set (id = 10001, @origin1, comment = 'user_admin');
set add table (set @set_user_admin, @origin1, id = 10002, full qualified
name = 'public.users', comment = 'Table public.users');
fails as below.
./addsst.slonik:3: WARNING: Auto-casting int to text: 10001
CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function "_T1".storeset(integer,text) line 11 at RETURN
./addsst.slonik:3: WARNING: Auto-casting int to text: 1
CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function "_T1".storeset(integer,text) line 11 at RETURN
./addsst.slonik:4: WARNING: Auto-casting int to text: 10002
CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function "_T1".altertableaddtriggers(integer) line 53 at
EXECUTE statement
SQL statement "SELECT "_T1".alterTableAddTriggers(p_tab_id)"
PL/pgSQL function "_T1".setaddtable_int(integer,integer,text,name,text) line
99 at PERFORM
SQL statement "SELECT "_T1".setAddTable_int(p_set_id, p_tab_id, p_fqname,
p_tab_idxname, p_tab_comment)"
PL/pgSQL function "_T1".setaddtable(integer,integer,text,name,text) line 28
at PERFORM
./addsst.slonik:4: PGRES_FATAL_ERROR lock table "_T1".sl_config_lock;select
"_T1".setAddTable(10001, 10002, 'public.users', 'users_pkey', 'Table
public.users'); - ERROR: operator is not unique: text || integer
LINE 3: '"_T1".log_truncate(' || i_tabid || ');'
^
HINT: Could not choose a best candidate operator. You might need to add
explicit type casts.
QUERY: SELECT 'create trigger "_T1_truncatetrigger" ' ||
' before truncate on ' || i_fqtable || ' for
each statement execute procedure ' ||
'"_T1".log_truncate(' || i_tabid || ');'
CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function "_T1".altertableaddtruncatetrigger(text,integer)
line 3 at EXECUTE statement
SQL statement "SELECT "_T1".alterTableAddTruncateTrigger(v_tab_fqname,
p_tab_id)"
PL/pgSQL function "_T1".altertableaddtriggers(integer) line 65 at PERFORM
SQL statement "SELECT "_T1".alterTableAddTriggers(p_tab_id)"
PL/pgSQL function "_T1".setaddtable_int(integer,integer,text,name,text) line
99 at PERFORM
SQL statement "SELECT "_T1".setAddTable_int(p_set_id, p_tab_id, p_fqname,
p_tab_idxname, p_tab_comment)"
PL/pgSQL function "_T1".setaddtable(integer,integer,text,name,text) line 28
at PERFORM
Any ideas? Or even a slony/postgres forum that is lively!
Martin
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:02:12 -0500
From: Matt Dainty <matt@bodgit-n-scarper.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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* Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com> [2014-02-24 08:50:44]:
> On 24/02/2014 14:25, Andrew wrote:
> > How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
> > elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
> > seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
>
> You just want a general-purpose OpAmp. I don't have any datasheets to
> hand so I'm not sure what to recommend I'm afraid. Many years ago, the
> standard would've been the 741, but that's been well and truly
> superceeded nowadays. When I've got a bit of time (I'm currently at
> work in a meeting), I'll do a bit more digging around to give you some
> suggestions.
>
> In reality, however, virtually any OpAmp you can buy will probably do
> what you want, as your requirements are not particularly taxing.
I was looking at a circuit for use with a Pi that featured an OpAmp and
that used a CA3140 part. I note in the features it's a replacement for
the 741 that Dave suggested.
HTH
Matt
--
"Phased plasma rifle in a forty-watt range?"
"Hey, just what you see, pal."
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:08:11 +0000
From: Tim Wintle <timwintle@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Thoughts on WhatsApp?
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On Sun, 2014-02-23 at 20:09 +0000, Mike Yates wrote:
> For those who haven't noticed, the price paid by Facebook for WhatsApp
> is the result of the latter's abuse of Android (and IOS)
> "Permissions".
I'm going to dispute that statement ..
All the big names aren't necessarily trying to grab cash out of mobiles
at the moment: They just want to be in a market-leading position to make
money out of stuff once that happens.
The money-centre of mobile hasn't been defined yet: it could be payments
(i.e. mobile payments with NFC are trying to take over from credit card
companies), it could be media rentals (e.g. Google Play), or it could be
something completely different.
i.e. Facebook were willing to pay that (frankly rediculous) price for
Whatsapp because they don't want another competitor in the field. Google
apparently bid the price up that far: presumably because they want
hangouts to be *the* way that people communicate in a post-sms and
standard phone call world.
Twitter is still afloat for the same reason: having the eyeballs *might*
lead to some way to make money in the future, even though there's no
prospect right at the moment.
I.e. the value is about owning the user's experience: not about the
contacts. I honestly think the fact your phonebook gets uploaded to
whatsapp is due to no more than dumb systems design.
Tim
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:12:19 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 14:02, Matt Dainty wrote:
> * Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com> [2014-02-24 08:50:44]:
>> On 24/02/2014 14:25, Andrew wrote:
>>> How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
>>> elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
>>> seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
>> You just want a general-purpose OpAmp. I don't have any datasheets to
>> hand so I'm not sure what to recommend I'm afraid. Many years ago, the
>> standard would've been the 741, but that's been well and truly
>> superceeded nowadays. When I've got a bit of time (I'm currently at
>> work in a meeting), I'll do a bit more digging around to give you some
>> suggestions.
>>
>> In reality, however, virtually any OpAmp you can buy will probably do
>> what you want, as your requirements are not particularly taxing.
> I was looking at a circuit for use with a Pi that featured an OpAmp and
> that used a CA3140 part. I note in the features it's a replacement for
> the 741 that Dave suggested.
>
> HTH
>
> Matt
Thank you Matt, a help indeed. And they are cheap and plentiful on Ebay.
Seems like the problem is solved.
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:16:20 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: andrew@1dtv.com, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
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On 24/02/14 13:25, Andrew wrote:
> On 24/02/14 13:13, Dave SMITH wrote:
>> On 24/02/2014 13:46, Andrew wrote:
>>> ps I forgot to mention that I have done a load of googling but I am not
>>> coming up with anything I understand.
>> Have a look at the "closed loop, non-inverting" section of the OpAmp
>> page on Wikipedia. There's a circuit diagram showing how you connect up
>> an OpAmp with two resistors to define the gain you want.
>>
> Thanks Dave. That looks really simple.
>
> How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
> elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
> seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
Sorry for butting in Dave,
"Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still existed! I
remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
Generally if you are designating a circuit you should have an idea of
what you want regards supply voltage and type of encapsulation etc. If
you are makin a high gain amp you may have to remove any offset voltage
or buy an amp that can compensate for it. Bandwidth also varies with
feedback (as I recall) but should not be a problem with your use.
When these came out, they revolutionized the electronics industry as
they could be used in so many different ways and were so cheap (ah those
were the days).
PS just saw other posts, there are a lot more on this list with newer
knowledge on OpAmps than me, good luck.
(goes back to armchair to relax in the knowledge that some thing learnt
many years ago are still extant!)
> Andrew
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:43:53 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] quad core blimey
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On 24/02/14 14:16, Peter Hemmings wrote:
> "Core blimey" (London Accent) I never thought these still existed! I
> remember them from many years ago (more the 40!).
Things certainly change. It used to be Cor blimey. I presume you are on
the new quad core blimey!
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 15:17:36 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Slony probs
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I've restored a postgres 8.4 database onto a 9.3 installation (on Debian
Jessie).
Running a script (as used in 8.4 so may need to be changed, but can't find
anything) which contains the following
define CLUSTER T1;
define PRIMARY 1;
define SLAVE 10;
cluster name = @CLUSTER;
define origin1 origin = @PRIMARY;
define origin2 origin = @SLAVE;
define primary id = @PRIMARY;
define slave id = @SLAVE;
define set_user_admin id = 10001;
node @PRIMARY admin conninfo = 'dbname=myname host=localhost user=slony';
node @SLAVE admin conninfo = 'dbname=myname host=slave.host.com user=slony';
create set (id = 10001, @origin1, comment = 'user_admin');
set add table (set @set_user_admin, @origin1, id = 10002, full qualified
name = 'public.users', comment = 'Table public.users');
fails as below.
./addsst.slonik:3: WARNING: Auto-casting int to text: 10001
CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function "_T1".storeset(integer,text) line 11 at RETURN
./addsst.slonik:3: WARNING: Auto-casting int to text: 1
CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function "_T1".storeset(integer,text) line 11 at RETURN
./addsst.slonik:4: WARNING: Auto-casting int to text: 10002
CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function "_T1".altertableaddtriggers(integer) line 53 at
EXECUTE statement
SQL statement "SELECT "_T1".alterTableAddTriggers(p_tab_id)"
PL/pgSQL function "_T1".setaddtable_int(integer,integer,text,name,text) line
99 at PERFORM
SQL statement "SELECT "_T1".setAddTable_int(p_set_id, p_tab_id, p_fqname,
p_tab_idxname, p_tab_comment)"
PL/pgSQL function "_T1".setaddtable(integer,integer,text,name,text) line 28
at PERFORM
./addsst.slonik:4: PGRES_FATAL_ERROR lock table "_T1".sl_config_lock;select
"_T1".setAddTable(10001, 10002, 'public.users', 'users_pkey', 'Table
public.users'); - ERROR: operator is not unique: text || integer
LINE 3: '"_T1".log_truncate(' || i_tabid || ');'
^
HINT: Could not choose a best candidate operator. You might need to add
explicit type casts.
QUERY: SELECT 'create trigger "_T1_truncatetrigger" ' ||
' before truncate on ' || i_fqtable || ' for
each statement execute procedure ' ||
'"_T1".log_truncate(' || i_tabid || ');'
CONTEXT: PL/pgSQL function "_T1".altertableaddtruncatetrigger(text,integer)
line 3 at EXECUTE statement
SQL statement "SELECT "_T1".alterTableAddTruncateTrigger(v_tab_fqname,
p_tab_id)"
PL/pgSQL function "_T1".altertableaddtriggers(integer) line 65 at PERFORM
SQL statement "SELECT "_T1".alterTableAddTriggers(p_tab_id)"
PL/pgSQL function "_T1".setaddtable_int(integer,integer,text,name,text) line
99 at PERFORM
SQL statement "SELECT "_T1".setAddTable_int(p_set_id, p_tab_id, p_fqname,
p_tab_idxname, p_tab_comment)"
PL/pgSQL function "_T1".setaddtable(integer,integer,text,name,text) line 28
at PERFORM
Any ideas? Or even a slony/postgres forum that is lively!
Martin
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:44:48 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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Greetings luggers
Still progressing slowly on the project to get a raspberry pi working to
fill ink cartridges.
We are using a load cell to measure the amount of ink. It gives an
output of about 5 mV. As stated by a helper "The input range on the
Custard Pi 3 is from 0 to 2.5V. So to get the best accuracy from this
load cell, we need an amplification of around 400 using an opamp."
Does anyone know if I can get this opamp off the shelf, or whether it
would have to be custom made.
Thanks
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:46:18 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 12:44, Andrew wrote:
> Greetings luggers
>
> Still progressing slowly on the project to get a raspberry pi working
> to fill ink cartridges.
>
> We are using a load cell to measure the amount of ink. It gives an
> output of about 5 mV. As stated by a helper "The input range on the
> Custard Pi 3 is from 0 to 2.5V. So to get the best accuracy from this
> load cell, we need an amplification of around 400 using an opamp."
>
> Does anyone know if I can get this opamp off the shelf, or whether it
> would have to be custom made.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
ps I forgot to mention that I have done a load of googling but I am not
coming up with anything I understand.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:56:05 +0100
From: Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/2014 13:46, Andrew wrote:
> On 24/02/14 12:44, Andrew wrote:
>> Still progressing slowly on the project to get a raspberry pi working
>> to fill ink cartridges.
>>
>> We are using a load cell to measure the amount of ink. It gives an
>> output of about 5 mV. As stated by a helper "The input range on the
>> Custard Pi 3 is from 0 to 2.5V. So to get the best accuracy from this
>> load cell, we need an amplification of around 400 using an opamp."
>>
>> Does anyone know if I can get this opamp off the shelf, or whether it
>> would have to be custom made.
You would use a standard OpAmp that has a very large gain, and add a few
resistors around it to set the gain at x400 in non-inverting mode.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:13:36 +0100
From: Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/2014 13:46, Andrew wrote:
> ps I forgot to mention that I have done a load of googling but I am not
> coming up with anything I understand.
Have a look at the "closed loop, non-inverting" section of the OpAmp
page on Wikipedia. There's a circuit diagram showing how you connect up
an OpAmp with two resistors to define the gain you want.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:25:59 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 13:13, Dave SMITH wrote:
> On 24/02/2014 13:46, Andrew wrote:
>> ps I forgot to mention that I have done a load of googling but I am not
>> coming up with anything I understand.
> Have a look at the "closed loop, non-inverting" section of the OpAmp
> page on Wikipedia. There's a circuit diagram showing how you connect up
> an OpAmp with two resistors to define the gain you want.
>
Thanks Dave. That looks really simple.
How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:49:34 +0100
From: Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/2014 14:25, Andrew wrote:
> How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
> elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
> seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
You just want a general-purpose OpAmp. I don't have any datasheets to
hand so I'm not sure what to recommend I'm afraid. Many years ago, the
standard would've been the 741, but that's been well and truly
superceeded nowadays. When I've got a bit of time (I'm currently at
work in a meeting), I'll do a bit more digging around to give you some
suggestions.
In reality, however, virtually any OpAmp you can buy will probably do
what you want, as your requirements are not particularly taxing.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:58:36 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 13:49, Dave SMITH wrote:
> On 24/02/2014 14:25, Andrew wrote:
>> How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
>> elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
>> seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
> You just want a general-purpose OpAmp. I don't have any datasheets to
> hand so I'm not sure what to recommend I'm afraid. Many years ago, the
> standard would've been the 741, but that's been well and truly
> superceeded nowadays. When I've got a bit of time (I'm currently at
> work in a meeting), I'll do a bit more digging around to give you some
> suggestions.
>
> In reality, however, virtually any OpAmp you can buy will probably do
> what you want, as your requirements are not particularly taxing.
>
>
Great. Thanks. My colleague is about to go off and commission the
building of purpose specific circuit boards, but I was sure the things
we want must be available off the shelf. I would be very grateful if you
could point me to a specific source. It would be sad if I wind up buying
the one thing which looks as if it would do, but doesn't!
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:44:48 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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Greetings luggers
Still progressing slowly on the project to get a raspberry pi working to
fill ink cartridges.
We are using a load cell to measure the amount of ink. It gives an
output of about 5 mV. As stated by a helper "The input range on the
Custard Pi 3 is from 0 to 2.5V. So to get the best accuracy from this
load cell, we need an amplification of around 400 using an opamp."
Does anyone know if I can get this opamp off the shelf, or whether it
would have to be custom made.
Thanks
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:46:18 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 12:44, Andrew wrote:
> Greetings luggers
>
> Still progressing slowly on the project to get a raspberry pi working
> to fill ink cartridges.
>
> We are using a load cell to measure the amount of ink. It gives an
> output of about 5 mV. As stated by a helper "The input range on the
> Custard Pi 3 is from 0 to 2.5V. So to get the best accuracy from this
> load cell, we need an amplification of around 400 using an opamp."
>
> Does anyone know if I can get this opamp off the shelf, or whether it
> would have to be custom made.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
ps I forgot to mention that I have done a load of googling but I am not
coming up with anything I understand.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:56:05 +0100
From: Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/2014 13:46, Andrew wrote:
> On 24/02/14 12:44, Andrew wrote:
>> Still progressing slowly on the project to get a raspberry pi working
>> to fill ink cartridges.
>>
>> We are using a load cell to measure the amount of ink. It gives an
>> output of about 5 mV. As stated by a helper "The input range on the
>> Custard Pi 3 is from 0 to 2.5V. So to get the best accuracy from this
>> load cell, we need an amplification of around 400 using an opamp."
>>
>> Does anyone know if I can get this opamp off the shelf, or whether it
>> would have to be custom made.
You would use a standard OpAmp that has a very large gain, and add a few
resistors around it to set the gain at x400 in non-inverting mode.
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:13:36 +0100
From: Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
Message-ID: <530B4580.1090305@st.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
On 24/02/2014 13:46, Andrew wrote:
> ps I forgot to mention that I have done a load of googling but I am not
> coming up with anything I understand.
Have a look at the "closed loop, non-inverting" section of the OpAmp
page on Wikipedia. There's a circuit diagram showing how you connect up
an OpAmp with two resistors to define the gain you want.
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:25:59 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
Message-ID: <530B4867.2040304@1dtv.com>
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On 24/02/14 13:13, Dave SMITH wrote:
> On 24/02/2014 13:46, Andrew wrote:
>> ps I forgot to mention that I have done a load of googling but I am not
>> coming up with anything I understand.
> Have a look at the "closed loop, non-inverting" section of the OpAmp
> page on Wikipedia. There's a circuit diagram showing how you connect up
> an OpAmp with two resistors to define the gain you want.
>
Thanks Dave. That looks really simple.
How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:49:34 +0100
From: Dave SMITH <Dave.Smith@st.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
Message-ID: <530B4DEE.20406@st.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
On 24/02/2014 14:25, Andrew wrote:
> How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
> elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
> seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
You just want a general-purpose OpAmp. I don't have any datasheets to
hand so I'm not sure what to recommend I'm afraid. Many years ago, the
standard would've been the 741, but that's been well and truly
superceeded nowadays. When I've got a bit of time (I'm currently at
work in a meeting), I'll do a bit more digging around to give you some
suggestions.
In reality, however, virtually any OpAmp you can buy will probably do
what you want, as your requirements are not particularly taxing.
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:58:36 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Opamp - somewhat off topic
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On 24/02/14 13:49, Dave SMITH wrote:
> On 24/02/2014 14:25, Andrew wrote:
>> How do I define what I am looking for as the opamp itself, on ebay or
>> elsewhere. This is the bit I was getting really frustrated with - it
>> seems like a whole language defining these kinds of things.
> You just want a general-purpose OpAmp. I don't have any datasheets to
> hand so I'm not sure what to recommend I'm afraid. Many years ago, the
> standard would've been the 741, but that's been well and truly
> superceeded nowadays. When I've got a bit of time (I'm currently at
> work in a meeting), I'll do a bit more digging around to give you some
> suggestions.
>
> In reality, however, virtually any OpAmp you can buy will probably do
> what you want, as your requirements are not particularly taxing.
>
>
Great. Thanks. My colleague is about to go off and commission the
building of purpose specific circuit boards, but I was sure the things
we want must be available off the shelf. I would be very grateful if you
could point me to a specific source. It would be sad if I wind up buying
the one thing which looks as if it would do, but doesn't!
Andrew
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