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Today's Topics:

1. Re: SORBS and Eclipse Problem (was IP address blocked!)
(Simon Iremonger (bblug))
2. End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Sebastian)
3. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Sebastian)
4. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Angelo Danio)
5. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Sebastian)
6. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Keith Edmunds)
7. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Sebastian)
8. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Sebastian)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:37:16 +0000
From: "Simon Iremonger (bblug)" <bblug@iremonger.me.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] SORBS and Eclipse Problem (was IP address
blocked!)
Message-ID: <52B7153C.5090503@iremonger.me.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

> Unfortunately one of our mail servers has been blocked by SORBS (An anti
> spam company) and as such any email addresses utilizing SORBS we are
> unable to send to. We are working with SORBS to get our SMTP server
> unblocked as fast as possible. If you have any other questions or
> queries please do not hesitate to ask.

Indeed... Though I suspect SORBS aren't (directly) the problem
but whatever spam problem was happening probably triggered both
sorbs and hotmail to react to it, I suspect.



Hotmail were blocking that eclipse server IP and in my experience
they are a 'law unto themselves'.
Seemingly they act a bit like an internal whitelist, too...

I had a situation where we setup an office on Zen internet with
static IPs with static reverse DNS pointers properly forward
confirmed, and were using the "mail." address for outgoing
email sending. This address was as far as I could tell, not on
any blacklists, correctly registered in DNS and whois sensible etc.

And...
All 'new' emails to hotmail from the IP were consistently dropped --
not rejected, not bounced, not put into Spam folder, just dropped.
BUT, valid 'replies' to hotmail-sourced emails WERE accepted.

EVENTUALLY the reputation 'improved' somehow and they started
accepting the emails to spam at first, or something like that.





I would add that Thunderbird is almost always used with an external
SMTP server.... Hence indeed eclipse infrastructure server is
what matters, not 'your' IP address. Some 'traditional' mailers
or things like local CGI scripts etc. tend to use sendmail on
localhost and so-forth.....

Hope that helps,

--Simon




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:43:45 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <52B75D11.4070500@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi

Same venue, date and times as announced before for Linux Live, an event
aimed at the general public. That's at the Pervasive Media Studio in
the Watershed between 10am and 4pm on Saturday 15th March 2014. On the
day volunteers are also welcome to help out.

The main new information since my last LUG update is that it was decided
by most of the group to go with only 3 distro's and interfaces for the
remasters (even though we ended up with 4 distro's and interfaces). With
the remasters certain software that isn't normally in distro's that
average computer users will probably want pre-installed will be
installed, and also distribution updates, and a Bristol Grub 2 theme.

Official Live CD's/DVD's of the distro's will be available at the event
for giving away as well as the remasters, and some other things as well.

A website is on the verge of properly being made for the event as well:
http://linuxlive.co.uk

Regards

Sebastian



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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 22:03:49 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <52B761C5.9030208@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


>
> The main new information since my last LUG update is that it was
> decided by most of the group to go with only 3 distro's and interfaces
> for the remasters (even though we ended up with 4 distro's and
> interfaces). With the remasters certain software that isn't normally
> in distro's
by default
> that average computer users will probably want pre-installed will be
> installed, and also distribution updates, and a Bristol Grub 2 theme.

We are going to have demonstration computers, and a waiting area as
well. The idea is that potential users who have been in the
demonstration area will get given a remastered distro on a USB to take
home. This is not an installfest this is an event that's all about the
live aspect of the distros that are used, and helping to get more people
using Linux distros.
>
> Official Live CD's/DVD's of the distro's will be available at the
> event for giving away as well as the remasters, and some other things
> as well.



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:56:08 +0100
From: Angelo Danio <angelo.danio@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID:
<CAMs=fH+Kr9XrRO4-bxWPLATfCAbSn11q92GzXn6sC5e7iO_xdA@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

> will get given a remastered distro on a USB to take home. This is not an
> installfest this is an event that's all about the live aspect of the distros
> that are used, and helping to get more people using Linux distros.

It seems to me might be a good idea to have a VirtualBox installed on
a M$ or/and in a OSX computer, to show an other way to operate with a
linux distro without pain of double boot or format the disk. If
samebody of us have a computer with windows or an apple ... :))

--
Angelo

"Marco Polo descrive un ponte, pietra per pietra. - Ma qual'? la pietra che
sostiene il ponte? - chiede Kublai Kan. - Il ponte non e sostenuto da
questa o quella pietra, - risponde Marco, - ma dalla linea dell'arco che
esse formano. Kublai Kan rimane silenzioso, riflettendo. Poi soggiunge: -
Perch? mi parli delle pietre? ? solo dell'arco che m'importa. Polo
risponde: - Senza pietre non c'? arco".


Italo Calvino Da: Le citt? invisibili, Einaudi



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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:44:24 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <52B77958.90109@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 22/12/13 22:56, Angelo Danio wrote:
>> will get given a remastered distro on a USB to take home. This is not an
>> installfest this is an event that's all about the live aspect of the distros
>> that are used, and helping to get more people using Linux distros.
> It seems to me might be a good idea to have a VirtualBox installed on
> a M$ or/and in a OSX computer, to show an other way to operate with a
> linux distro without pain of double boot or format the disk. If
> samebody of us have a computer with windows or an apple ... :))
>
No the whole idea is to get people off Windows, hence why they wanted
these remasters. A suggestion did come up at the last meeting from
someone to maybe have Codeweavers showing Microsoft Office running though.

Maybe there should be a disc for Windows with some of the programs such
as Firefox and Libre Office?



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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 00:34:11 +0000
From: Keith Edmunds <kae@midnighthax.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <20131223003411.5ff2e292@ws.the.cage>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:44:24 +0000, sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com said:

> No the whole idea is to get people off Windows, hence why they wanted
> these remasters. A suggestion did come up at the last meeting from
> someone to maybe have Codeweavers showing Microsoft Office running
> though.

Running virtualised Linux under Windows is a no-no, but the other way
round is OK? That appears inconsistent.
--
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone
who will never be able to repay you."



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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 00:47:48 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <52B78834.4050308@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 23/12/13 00:34, Keith Edmunds wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:44:24 +0000, sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com said:
>
>> No the whole idea is to get people off Windows, hence why they wanted
>> these remasters. A suggestion did come up at the last meeting from
>> someone to maybe have Codeweavers showing Microsoft Office running
>> though.
> Running virtualised Linux under Windows is a no-no, but the other way
> round is OK? That appears inconsistent.
Running Virtualised Linux under Windows, can help make some people later
make the switch, but none of the demonstration computers at the event
will be running Windows, in fact none of them will be even running the
distro I personally mainly wanted and de, but that's something else.

There might be a disc for WIndows with some of the programs though as
well such as Firefox and Libre Office, if one is made.



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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 01:10:48 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Cc: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <52B78D98.7020903@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

In the update I didn't mention the distro's or interfaces, that will be
used for the event: Mint with Cinnamon, openSUSE with KDE, and Ubuntu
with Unity



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