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Today's Topics:

1. Re: LinkedIn - Accounts Hacked (Shane McEwan)
2. Re: LinkedIn - Accounts Hacked (Max B)
3. Re: LinkedIn - Accounts Hacked (Nigel Sollars)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:27:59 +0000
From: Shane McEwan <shane@mcewan.id.au>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] LinkedIn - Accounts Hacked
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On 06/12/13 19:24, Keith Edmunds wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 18:49:08 +0000, ian@cyber-cottage.co.uk said:
>> No OS is going to stop this without putting undue restrictions on users.
>
> I disagree.

You keep saying that you disagree but you have yet to suggest a solution
to the problem.

How can an OS stop users installing malware and yet allow them to
install software? Should the OS provider vet every line of code and
design the OS so only software signed by them can be installed? Apple
try to do this and there's still malware to be found in the App Store.

Shane.




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:44:25 +0000
From: Max B <psykx.out@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] LinkedIn - Accounts Hacked
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Do you have examples of this? Apple does actually vet all the code going on
the apple store, we've had code rejected for fairly minor infractions of
coding standards (not my code :D )

Thanks, Max B


On 9 December 2013 15:27, Shane McEwan <shane@mcewan.id.au> wrote:

> On 06/12/13 19:24, Keith Edmunds wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 18:49:08 +0000, ian@cyber-cottage.co.uk said:
>>
>>> No OS is going to stop this without putting undue restrictions on users.
>>>
>>
>> I disagree.
>>
>
> You keep saying that you disagree but you have yet to suggest a solution
> to the problem.
>
> How can an OS stop users installing malware and yet allow them to install
> software? Should the OS provider vet every line of code and design the OS
> so only software signed by them can be installed? Apple try to do this and
> there's still malware to be found in the App Store.
>
> Shane.
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 17:02:11 -0500
From: Nigel Sollars <nsollars@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] LinkedIn - Accounts Hacked
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Ah, the infamous Apple 0wnz J00 argument.

While it is true that Apple controls their users world, both in app store
and wall garden the OS, for any savvy user above the normal Zombie types
out there, this becomes overly restrictive.

I think this argument is simply put, that a balance / happy medium needs to
be struck ( perfect / infallible ?) not on your life, as we know nothing
is.

I had this discussion in some detail with guys here, this was about the
amount of spam / port scans and other area's of misbehavior of peoples
systems whom are part of the botnet collective.

I came to the conclusion that it would be good for ISP's to have a 3
strikes system and black list by home address. Basically after 3 strikes
they are off the interwebs and placed on the blacklist. It is pushed to
the owner of the PC to clean or take it somewhere to get it cleaned. The
blacklist exists to prohibit the home owner signing up with a new provider.

Once the problem is solved they can carry on as normal.

This seemed pretty straight forward to me.

Nige



On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Max B <psykx.out@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you have examples of this? Apple does actually vet all the code going
> on the apple store, we've had code rejected for fairly minor infractions of
> coding standards (not my code :D )
>
> Thanks, Max B
>
>
> On 9 December 2013 15:27, Shane McEwan <shane@mcewan.id.au> wrote:
>
>> On 06/12/13 19:24, Keith Edmunds wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 18:49:08 +0000, ian@cyber-cottage.co.uk said:
>>>
>>>> No OS is going to stop this without putting undue restrictions on users.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I disagree.
>>>
>>
>> You keep saying that you disagree but you have yet to suggest a solution
>> to the problem.
>>
>> How can an OS stop users installing malware and yet allow them to install
>> software? Should the OS provider vet every line of code and design the OS
>> so only software signed by them can be installed? Apple try to do this and
>> there's still malware to be found in the App Store.
>>
>> Shane.
>>
>>
>>
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