Bristol and Bath Linux: Desember 2013

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Bristol Digest, Vol 531, Issue 2

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: SORBS and Eclipse Problem (was IP address blocked!)
(Simon Iremonger (bblug))
2. End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Sebastian)
3. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Sebastian)
4. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Angelo Danio)
5. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Sebastian)
6. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Keith Edmunds)
7. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Sebastian)
8. Re: End of 2013 Linux Live Update (Sebastian)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:37:16 +0000
From: "Simon Iremonger (bblug)" <bblug@iremonger.me.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] SORBS and Eclipse Problem (was IP address
blocked!)
Message-ID: <52B7153C.5090503@iremonger.me.uk>
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> Unfortunately one of our mail servers has been blocked by SORBS (An anti
> spam company) and as such any email addresses utilizing SORBS we are
> unable to send to. We are working with SORBS to get our SMTP server
> unblocked as fast as possible. If you have any other questions or
> queries please do not hesitate to ask.

Indeed... Though I suspect SORBS aren't (directly) the problem
but whatever spam problem was happening probably triggered both
sorbs and hotmail to react to it, I suspect.

Hotmail were blocking that eclipse server IP and in my experience
they are a 'law unto themselves'.
Seemingly they act a bit like an internal whitelist, too...

I had a situation where we setup an office on Zen internet with
static IPs with static reverse DNS pointers properly forward
confirmed, and were using the "mail." address for outgoing
email sending. This address was as far as I could tell, not on
any blacklists, correctly registered in DNS and whois sensible etc.

And...
All 'new' emails to hotmail from the IP were consistently dropped --
not rejected, not bounced, not put into Spam folder, just dropped.
BUT, valid 'replies' to hotmail-sourced emails WERE accepted.

EVENTUALLY the reputation 'improved' somehow and they started
accepting the emails to spam at first, or something like that.

I would add that Thunderbird is almost always used with an external
SMTP server.... Hence indeed eclipse infrastructure server is
what matters, not 'your' IP address. Some 'traditional' mailers
or things like local CGI scripts etc. tend to use sendmail on
localhost and so-forth.....

Hope that helps,

--Simon

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 21:43:45 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <52B75D11.4070500@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi

Same venue, date and times as announced before for Linux Live, an event
aimed at the general public. That's at the Pervasive Media Studio in
the Watershed between 10am and 4pm on Saturday 15th March 2014. On the
day volunteers are also welcome to help out.

The main new information since my last LUG update is that it was decided
by most of the group to go with only 3 distro's and interfaces for the
remasters (even though we ended up with 4 distro's and interfaces). With
the remasters certain software that isn't normally in distro's that
average computer users will probably want pre-installed will be
installed, and also distribution updates, and a Bristol Grub 2 theme.

Official Live CD's/DVD's of the distro's will be available at the event
for giving away as well as the remasters, and some other things as well.

A website is on the verge of properly being made for the event as well:
http://linuxlive.co.uk

Regards

Sebastian

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 22:03:49 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <52B761C5.9030208@gmx.com>
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>
> The main new information since my last LUG update is that it was
> decided by most of the group to go with only 3 distro's and interfaces
> for the remasters (even though we ended up with 4 distro's and
> interfaces). With the remasters certain software that isn't normally
> in distro's
by default
> that average computer users will probably want pre-installed will be
> installed, and also distribution updates, and a Bristol Grub 2 theme.

We are going to have demonstration computers, and a waiting area as
well. The idea is that potential users who have been in the
demonstration area will get given a remastered distro on a USB to take
home. This is not an installfest this is an event that's all about the
live aspect of the distros that are used, and helping to get more people
using Linux distros.
>
> Official Live CD's/DVD's of the distro's will be available at the
> event for giving away as well as the remasters, and some other things
> as well.

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:56:08 +0100
From: Angelo Danio <angelo.danio@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
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> will get given a remastered distro on a USB to take home. This is not an
> installfest this is an event that's all about the live aspect of the distros
> that are used, and helping to get more people using Linux distros.

It seems to me might be a good idea to have a VirtualBox installed on
a M$ or/and in a OSX computer, to show an other way to operate with a
linux distro without pain of double boot or format the disk. If
samebody of us have a computer with windows or an apple ... :))

--
Angelo

"Marco Polo descrive un ponte, pietra per pietra. - Ma qual'? la pietra che
sostiene il ponte? - chiede Kublai Kan. - Il ponte non e sostenuto da
questa o quella pietra, - risponde Marco, - ma dalla linea dell'arco che
esse formano. Kublai Kan rimane silenzioso, riflettendo. Poi soggiunge: -
Perch? mi parli delle pietre? ? solo dell'arco che m'importa. Polo
risponde: - Senza pietre non c'? arco".

Italo Calvino Da: Le citt? invisibili, Einaudi

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:44:24 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <52B77958.90109@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 22/12/13 22:56, Angelo Danio wrote:
>> will get given a remastered distro on a USB to take home. This is not an
>> installfest this is an event that's all about the live aspect of the distros
>> that are used, and helping to get more people using Linux distros.
> It seems to me might be a good idea to have a VirtualBox installed on
> a M$ or/and in a OSX computer, to show an other way to operate with a
> linux distro without pain of double boot or format the disk. If
> samebody of us have a computer with windows or an apple ... :))
>
No the whole idea is to get people off Windows, hence why they wanted
these remasters. A suggestion did come up at the last meeting from
someone to maybe have Codeweavers showing Microsoft Office running though.

Maybe there should be a disc for Windows with some of the programs such
as Firefox and Libre Office?

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 00:34:11 +0000
From: Keith Edmunds <kae@midnighthax.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <20131223003411.5ff2e292@ws.the.cage>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:44:24 +0000, sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com said:

> No the whole idea is to get people off Windows, hence why they wanted
> these remasters. A suggestion did come up at the last meeting from
> someone to maybe have Codeweavers showing Microsoft Office running
> though.

Running virtualised Linux under Windows is a no-no, but the other way
round is OK? That appears inconsistent.
--
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone
who will never be able to repay you."

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 00:47:48 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <52B78834.4050308@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 23/12/13 00:34, Keith Edmunds wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 23:44:24 +0000, sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com said:
>
>> No the whole idea is to get people off Windows, hence why they wanted
>> these remasters. A suggestion did come up at the last meeting from
>> someone to maybe have Codeweavers showing Microsoft Office running
>> though.
> Running virtualised Linux under Windows is a no-no, but the other way
> round is OK? That appears inconsistent.
Running Virtualised Linux under Windows, can help make some people later
make the switch, but none of the demonstration computers at the event
will be running Windows, in fact none of them will be even running the
distro I personally mainly wanted and de, but that's something else.

There might be a disc for WIndows with some of the programs though as
well such as Firefox and Libre Office, if one is made.

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 01:10:48 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Cc: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] End of 2013 Linux Live Update
Message-ID: <52B78D98.7020903@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

In the update I didn't mention the distro's or interfaces, that will be
used for the event: Mint with Cinnamon, openSUSE with KDE, and Ubuntu
with Unity

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Skype 4.2 - At Boot! (MJ Ray)
2. Re: Skype 4.2 - At Boot! (Shane McEwan)
3. Re: Skype 4.2 - At Boot! (Martin Wheeler (StarTEXT))
4. Re: Skype 4.2 - At Boot! (MJ Ray)
5. Last BBLUG meeting of 2013 this Saturday! (Sebastian)
6. Re: Last BBLUG meeting of 2013 this Saturday! (Angelo Danio)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:40:08 +0000
From: MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Skype 4.2 - At Boot!
Message-ID: <52B1A5B8.70906@phonecoop.coop>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Angelo Danio wrote:
> not a conspiracy .... Skype now is M$, why not give a try to google
> hangout, instead? is not open source but gmail accounts very common and you
> can have on option (paid) to call landline or mobile phones at good rates,
> especially on US

Why jump from the "Great Satan" to the "evil"? If you're going to go
through the pain of switching, might as well go to one of the new wave
of WebRTC (Web-based Real Time Communication) sites. Lumicall (open)
and Facemeeting.com (not really open) were looking promising but I'm not
watching this space closely.

Hope that informs,
--
MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op
http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer.
In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html
Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:00:13 +0000
From: Shane McEwan <shane@mcewan.id.au>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Skype 4.2 - At Boot!
Message-ID: <52B1AA6D.7010203@mcewan.id.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

On 18/12/13 13:40, MJ Ray wrote:
> Why jump from the "Great Satan" to the "evil"?

The same reason many of us have Facebook accounts . . . if you want to
be able to communicate with friends and family you have to use the same
tools they do. Sad but true.

Shane.

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:46:10 +0000
From: "Martin Wheeler (StarTEXT)" <mwheeler@startext.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Skype 4.2 - At Boot!
Message-ID: <52B1DF62.8080604@startext.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 18/12/13 14:00, Shane McEwan wrote:

> On 18/12/13 13:40, MJ Ray wrote:
>> Why jump from the "Great Satan" to the "evil"?
>
> The same reason many of us have Facebook accounts . . . if you want to
> be able to communicate with friends and family you have to use the same
> tools they do. Sad but true.

Not necessarily. (And only if you're as willing to be led by the nose as
much as your friends and family are.)

The solution of course is to educate those around you by practical
demonstration (i.e. application) of the viable alternatives.

Oh, sorry -- I forgot. That would entail a little effort - and thought -
wouldn't it ?
Nah; ballocks to that -- let's take the path of least resistance, as
worked out by the profit-obsessed marketroids -- who couldn't give a
monkey's whether their attitude and behaviour is ethical or not, as long
as the money keeps rolling in.
Greed is good; innit ?
And who cares about the punters ? They're so stupid they'll just go
along with whatever they're told to do, anyway.
--
Martin Wheeler Glastonbury - England
mwheeler @ startext.co.uk http://martinwheeler.co.uk/

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:39:26 +0000
From: MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Skype 4.2 - At Boot!
Message-ID: <52B1EBDE.1060802@phonecoop.coop>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Shane McEwan wrote:
> On 18/12/13 13:40, MJ Ray wrote:
>> Why jump from the "Great Satan" to the "evil"?
>
> The same reason many of us have Facebook accounts . . . if you want to
> be able to communicate with friends and family you have to use the same
> tools they do. Sad but true.

The only tool you need for webrtc sites is a reasonably current browser,
so that doesn't explain going to the evil in this example. Send the
trigger link through facebook chat if you really want.

Regards,
--
MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op
http://koha-community.org supporter, web and library systems developer.
In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html
Available for hire (including development) at http://www.software.coop/

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:55:53 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: [bristol] Last BBLUG meeting of 2013 this Saturday!
Message-ID: <52B1EFB9.40505@gmx.com>
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Hi

The BBLUG meeting comes a week earlier this Saturday, because of
Christmas, and it's also the last one of 2013. I didn't end up going
last month, but I hope that this one will get a good turn out of about
20 people :). Lurkers, new people, regulars, if you can make it this
Saturday please join us :) at the Knight's Templar Pub in Temple Quay:
http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-knights-templar

If you are new I suggest not turning up untill about 1:30pm by the
earlist, because of when other people are likely to be there. Personally
I will probably be there just after 2pm. We also sit on the lower level
in the left hand side corner when entering the pub, by the plugs, or
near there if not. People tend to leave between 4 and 5/6pm.

We chat about various things and not just opensource/freesoftware.
People can also come along for some Linux related tech support, but it
will depend on the issue and who is there, if any help is received or
not. People can also come along and show things to other people that
are there, that may be of interest to them that are tech related. Free
WIFI is available at the pub as well, and food and drinks etc.

Please reply back on the mailing list if you are intending on being
there! If you are new and likely to be there, please also optionally
send a introduction about yourself to this mailing list. Regulars and
people who don't come often can also optionally send a introduction
about themselves, which would help certain people get an idea as to who
they are as well.

Regards

Sebastian

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 20:57:28 +0100
From: Angelo Danio <angelo.danio@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Cc: sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Last BBLUG meeting of 2013 this Saturday!
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Hi Bristolian LUGgers!
I cannot be of the party because I will travel home for X'mas,
but Merry X'mas and best wishes for a Gorgeous New Year full of
<debian:))> packets!
\be root!
angelo

2013/12/18 Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>:
> Hi
>
> The BBLUG meeting comes a week earlier this Saturday, because of Christmas,
> and it's also the last one of 2013. I didn't end up going last month, but I
> hope that this one will get a good turn out of about 20 people :).
> Lurkers, new people, regulars, if you can make it this Saturday please join
> us :) at the Knight's Templar Pub in Temple Quay:
> http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-knights-templar
>
> If you are new I suggest not turning up untill about 1:30pm by the earlist,
> because of when other people are likely to be there. Personally I will
> probably be there just after 2pm. We also sit on the lower level in the left
> hand side corner when entering the pub, by the plugs, or near there if not.
> People tend to leave between 4 and 5/6pm.
>
> We chat about various things and not just opensource/freesoftware. People
> can also come along for some Linux related tech support, but it will depend
> on the issue and who is there, if any help is received or not. People can
> also come along and show things to other people that are there, that may be
> of interest to them that are tech related. Free WIFI is available at the
> pub as well, and food and drinks etc.
>
> Please reply back on the mailing list if you are intending on being there!
> If you are new and likely to be there, please also optionally send a
> introduction about yourself to this mailing list. Regulars and people who
> don't come often can also optionally send a introduction about themselves,
> which would help certain people get an idea as to who they are as well.
>
> Regards
>
> Sebastian
>
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--
Angelo

"Marco Polo descrive un ponte, pietra per pietra. - Ma qual'? la pietra che
sostiene il ponte? - chiede Kublai Kan. - Il ponte non e sostenuto da
questa o quella pietra, - risponde Marco, - ma dalla linea dell'arco che
esse formano. Kublai Kan rimane silenzioso, riflettendo. Poi soggiunge: -
Perch? mi parli delle pietre? ? solo dell'arco che m'importa. Polo
risponde: - Senza pietre non c'? arco".

Italo Calvino Da: Le citt? invisibili, Einaudi

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Bristol Digest, Vol 530, Issue 3

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1. Re: Bristol Digest, Vol 530, Issue 2 (Sean)
2. Re: Bristol Digest, Vol 530, Issue 2 (Peter Hemmings)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 12:52:09 +0000
From: Sean <msfin303@yahoo.co.uk>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Bristol Digest, Vol 530, Issue 2
Message-ID: <1387284729.2477.7.camel@sean-X220>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

gnome-session-properties may not always show all your startup
applications

Each can be made hidden by modifying their independent files
in /etc/xdg/startup/{name-of-file}

this can be done by modifying in the file
NoDisplay=true to NoDisplay=false

Look in this directory and see if there a file to start up skupe

Cheers
Sean

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> 1. Re: Skype 4.2 - At Boot! (Karl Southern)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:27:50 +0000
> From: Karl Southern <karl@theangryangel.co.uk>
> To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [bristol] Skype 4.2 - At Boot!
> Message-ID: <52AF3816.8030009@theangryangel.co.uk>
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>
> Assuming it's a relatively recent install it might be worth checki|ng
> ~/.config/autostart and /etc/xdg/autostart manually.
>
> It could be that gnome-session-properties isn't showing an entry that it
> should.
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> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 10:40:33 +0000
> From: Shane McEwan <shane@mcewan.id.au>
> To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [bristol] Skype 4.2 - At Boot!
> Message-ID: <52B02A21.4020203@mcewan.id.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> On 14/12/13 22:42, Peter Hemmings wrote:
> > It runs at boot up and I cannot find how its running on my Fedora 18.
> >
> > With gnome desktop I looked in "gnome-session-properties" and it not there.
> > I also tried Cinnamon and it still runs.
> >
> > Did a bit of googling and in windoze there is a setting the "options"
> > window to stop it, but not in Linux! Is this a conspiracy by MS! or
> > can I stop it?
>
> A long shot but you could try:
>
> grep -ri skype ~
>
> to search through your home directory for anything that mentions Skype.
> You might spot it lurking in a gconf file or something.
>
> Shane.
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:06:01 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
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On 17/12/13 12:52, Sean wrote:
>
> gnome-session-properties may not always show all your startup
> applications
>
> Each can be made hidden by modifying their independent files
> in /etc/xdg/startup/{name-of-file}
>

Does not seem to be in my "autostart":

[root@study ~]# cd /etc/xdg/startup
-bash: cd: /etc/xdg/startup: No such file or directory
[root@study ~]# cd /etc/xdg/
[root@study xdg]# ls
autostart lxsession openbox qtchooser tumbler user-dirs.defaults
libfm menus pcmanfm systemd user-dirs.conf xfce4
[root@study xdg]# cd autostart
[root@study autostart]# ls
abrt-applet.desktop gnome-settings-daemon.desktop
at-spi-dbus-bus.desktop gnome-sound-applet.desktop
bluetooth-applet.desktop gsettings-data-convert.desktop
caribou-autostart.desktop imsettings-start.desktop
cinnamon2d-screensaver.desktop nautilus-autostart.desktop
cinnamon-screensaver.desktop nm-applet.desktop
deja-dup-monitor.desktop orca-autostart.desktop
docky.desktop print-applet.desktop
evolution-alarm-notify.desktop restorecond.desktop
gnome-fallback-mount-helper.desktop tracker-miner-fs.desktop
gnome-keyring-gpg.desktop tracker-store.desktop
gnome-keyring-pkcs11.desktop user-dirs-update-gtk.desktop
gnome-keyring-secrets.desktop vino-server.desktop
gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop zeitgeist-datahub.desktop
gnome-screensaver.desktop
[root@study autostart]#

> this can be done by modifying in the file
> NoDisplay=true to NoDisplay=false
>
> Look in this directory and see if there a file to start up skupe
>
> Cheers
> Sean
>
>
> On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 12:00 +0000, bristol-request@mailman.lug.org.uk
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>> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:27:50 +0000
>> From: Karl Southern <karl@theangryangel.co.uk>
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snip

>>
>> A long shot but you could try:
>>
>> grep -ri skype ~
>>
>> to search through your home directory for anything that mentions Skype.
>> You might spot it lurking in a gconf file or something.

I have a few (a lot) but mainly cache stuff, quickly looked and could
not see anything. I don't think its a "User" problem.

>>
>> Shane.

Don't have much time ATM will look again later in week.

I have now posted on Skype Linux forum but no replies.

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:16:56 +0000
From: Keith Edmunds <kae@midnighthax.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Cc: martinm@it-helps.co.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] RT mailgate/apache problem
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A few questions:

- Is your RT installation really under /opt?

- What are you trying to achieve by using Plack?

- What does your Apache error log show?
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:31:28 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] RT mailgate/apache problem
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- Is your RT installation really under /opt?
Yes (presumably default as I didn't change anything)

- What are you trying to achieve by using Plack?
I haven't got a clue! It was needed as part of the installation.

- What does your Apache error log show?
First change - the logs were emoty which wasn't helping - fixed than and now
get:

info2:/home/martinm$ tail /var/log/apache2/helpdesk.error.log
[Sun Dec 08 14:29:10 2013] [error] [client 146.255.1.164] client denied by
server configuration: /usr/share/request-tracker4

info2:/home/martinm$ tail /var/log/apache2/helpdesk.access.log
146.255.1.164 - - [08/Dec/2013:14:29:10 +0000] "POST
/rt/REST/1.0/NoAuth/mail-gateway HTTP/1.1" 403 522 "-" "libwww-perl/5.836"

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A few questions:

- Is your RT installation really under /opt?

- What are you trying to achieve by using Plack?

- What does your Apache error log show?
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:39:36 +0000
From: Keith Edmunds <kae@midnighthax.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
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Subject: Re: [bristol] RT mailgate/apache problem
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:31:28 -0000, martinm@it-helps.co.uk said:

> - Is your RT installation really under /opt?
> Yes (presumably default as I didn't change anything)

If you're running on Debian, as I believe you are, and if you installed
from the Debian packages, RT is not under /opt. If you didn't install
from the Debian packages, why is that?

> - What does your Apache error log show?
> First change - the logs were emoty which wasn't helping - fixed than and
> now get:

That's indicative in itself: how did you fix it?
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:17:55 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] RT mailgate/apache problem
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>If you're running on Debian, as I believe you are, and if you installed
from the Debian packages, RT is not under /opt. If you didn't install from
the Debian packages, why is that?

Buggered if I can remember! Don't think I could find a pkg so used cpan or
tar download.

Happy to start again and do it properly!

>> - What does your Apache error log show?
>> First change - the logs were emoty which wasn't helping - fixed than
>> and now get:
>That's indicative in itself: how did you fix it?

Just changed the log files in apache config.

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Subject: Re: [bristol] RT mailgate/apache problem

On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:31:28 -0000, martinm@it-helps.co.uk said:

> - Is your RT installation really under /opt?
> Yes (presumably default as I didn't change anything)

If you're running on Debian, as I believe you are, and if you installed from
the Debian packages, RT is not under /opt. If you didn't install from the
Debian packages, why is that?

> - What does your Apache error log show?
> First change - the logs were emoty which wasn't helping - fixed than
> and now get:

That's indicative in itself: how did you fix it?
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:46:34 +0000
From: Keith Edmunds <kae@midnighthax.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Cc: martinm@it-helps.co.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] RT mailgate/apache problem
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:17:55 -0000, martinm@it-helps.co.uk said:

> Happy to start again and do it properly!

Do that. I recommend you install the database you want to use first, if
not already installed, then RT. Then follow the instructions
in /usr/share/doc/request-tracker4/README.Debian.gz.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 16:09:45 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] RT mailgate/apache problem
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Cheers Keith, will do. Where can I find the deb. package?

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Subject: Re: [bristol] RT mailgate/apache problem

On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:17:55 -0000, martinm@it-helps.co.uk said:

> Happy to start again and do it properly!

Do that. I recommend you install the database you want to use first, if not
already installed, then RT. Then follow the instructions in
/usr/share/doc/request-tracker4/README.Debian.gz.
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 16:42:21 +0000
From: Keith Edmunds <kae@midnighthax.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Cc: martinm@it-helps.co.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] RT mailgate/apache problem
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apt-get install request-tracker4 rt4-apache2 rt4-clients
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