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Today's Topics:
1. Installfest ideas and discussion (Sebastian)
2. Re: Installfest ideas and discussion (Sebastian)
3. Re: Installfest ideas and discussion (Peter Hemmings)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 01:10:48 +0100
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: [bristol] Installfest ideas and discussion
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As I am sure many of you have seen we have had quite a few installfest
related emails to this mailing list here and there, since I bought up
the subject again back in June. In fact I already sent quite a few
emails expressing my own idea's about the installfest etc, however below
I am replying in line to Peter's initial installfest thoughts etc, from
his 30 USB Sticks By The End of November!? email. I also welcome :)
people to reply back to this thread/email with their own idea's for an
installfest :). So far it has only really been Peter and myself mainly
expressing our idea's for it on this mailing list, with discussions
about an installfest at LUG meeting's here and there.
Sebastian
On 24/08/13 10:25, Peter Hemmings wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If there is some form of installfest in 2014 I think we need some H/W
> to give out.
>
> If I can get hold of at least 30 (2 to 4GB) sticks, we could have the
> basics for an event. So if anyone wants to donate old stick(s) I hope
> to be at the KT for the next couple of meetings.
Ok sounds good :).
>
>
> If you have problems attending and are a "source" for more than 5
> sticks then let me know and I will try to collect them, but will be
> unable to travel to other countries including Sweden!
I think I know who that comment was aimed at :) and not myself, however
I am actually intending on going to a opensource/freesoftware event in
Gothenburg//G?teborg/ Sweden/Sverige in November :). So maybe I can
take back some USB's whilst over there if sent to whatever hotel I will
be staying in :), but I am intending on coming back with much more
exciting things Linux/opensource/freesoftware related and otehrwise :).
>
>
> My initial thoughts are:
>
> 1. Have a basic installfest to give out live OS's to takeaway or
> install at the event.
>
> 2. We need a minimum of 3 luggers to help run the event, two to give
> out sticks and help with the install and an "expert" to help with any
> difficult problems if they occur.
Maybe I can get some people who contribute to or use Mageia that live in
the UK to join us, but that really is a maybe.
>
>
> 3. To keep potential for problems to a minimum, "customers" will be
> asked to bring H/W with either a blank HD or with with windows and
> some space to install Linux as a dual boot set up.
I think we should be ok with re sizing Windows and making new partitions
for a Linux distro out of the then made free space, as long as stuff
like that is done right, and people back up any data first onto say an
external hard disk of their own, and that we aren't responsible if
things go majorly wrong as well basically.
Also for most installs we should probably have a seperate /home really :).
Something to keep in mind our non technical target audience won't really
know about partitions if at all, they may know there is a C for
Windows, and maybe a D for data though as well, however they probably
won't know that those are partitions.
>
>
> 4. OS's/venue/date can be decided later depending on actual support
> for such an event.
>
> My own preferences are for a maximum of 3 OS's,
I think for the OS's Mageia 4, Ubuntu 13.10 and the Mint version based
on the Ubuntu release, or maybe the Debian based version of Mint
instead. Also for any computers that really can't run something more
modern or well enough may be a good idea to have distros specifically
made for old computers there as well such as Puppy Linux.
Mageia 4 should get released to the public for FOSDEM on 1st February
2014. With Ubuntu and the Ubuntu based version of Mint if having those
I think should make it clear to the people that have it installed that a
long term support release comes out in April for Ubuntu and probably
around then for the Ubuntu based Mint, that they can upgrade to, and
what one of those is, but also something about how to upgrade. As for
the Debian based version of Mint if going with that, should make it
clear to people I think that it's a rolling release and it basically
means have it installed, and should be able to have it updated with this
and that for a long time without problems before needing to re install
or switch to something else. However PC Linux OS for example is like
that to, and that was based on Mandrake back in 2003 etc, but gone more
in it's own direction since then, but that means it gets some of
Mageia's advantages to such as that nice graphical control centre :).
I should be able to come back with quite a lot of Live CD's and Mageia
stickers and flyers I guess to from FOSDEM :). As for Ubuntu well we
can probably get a load of official DVD's sent to us for an installfest
for FREE.
I think whatever distros we go for, we need some test computers there as
well with the distros set up and desktop environments etc :), so people
can try before having something installed. Also on the subject of
installs I think ideally they should be doing all the clicking and
typing them selves for the installer, but with assistance, not just
having it done for them by whoever is doing installs.
Also something to keep in mind when installing a distro with someone
should ideally show them how to get online support for it as well :),
but also be perfectly ok for example with them maybe coming to our LUG
meeting asking for help later on with it for example.
> a venue in Bristol (or even Bath!) that is easily reached by public
> transport, sometime before April 2014.
I think a venue in Bristol or outside Bristol, but near it, places such
as Filton or UWE. However with venues an issue can be cost, and the LUG
doesn't really have any money to rent a venue, unless people donate
money for this purpose. Also I don't think any of the distributors for
example will just give some money for the installfest even if installing
their distro at the event.
As for dates well not the weekend of 1st February obviously since FOSDEM
:), but I think a weekend in February or March. Maybe instead of just
one day we could have an installfest on two days as in the Saturday and
Sunday, rather than just say a Saturday. Personally I wouldn't really
want it to crash with our normal LUG meeting in February or the one in
March. However I think having it in the last weekend of March is a bit
to late. February is generally good or is it? I mean who are we going
to target an installfest to if going to have one. I thought it would be
the general public as in pretty much anyone, so that would also mean for
example parents who have kids, and well half term is in February, and
quite a lot of people go away then etc. As a result the half term
weekends may not be that good either really, depending on who our target
audience is. In fact half term or otherwise certain people will go away
in February to go skiing for example.
http://www.bristol.gov.uk/page/children-and-young-people/term-and-holiday-dates
http://www.southglos.gov.uk/Pages/Article%20Pages/Children%20Young%20People/Schools/Schools-term-and-holiday-dates.aspx#.UhvovJb2-so
Something else to think about is the idea of, oh we will decide a venue
later on close to the event, isn't really that good probably, because it
would be good to have a month or two at least, and I think more so at
least two months rather than just one, of marketing the event to the
general public with a set venue, dates, and times. Otherwise the day of
an installfest could come and well hardly anyone turns up to have an
install done, if anyone at all! Also on the subject of marketing the
event how are we going to do so really? Flyers, our LUG website, social
networking sites, etc, but what exactly?
I think with the venue dates we could do what this other group did (that
I am going to be joining soon properly) for an end of year meal.
Basically used something online for a poll with suggested dates, and
people put their name forward and said what dates they could and
couldn't do, then the one with the most votes became the date of the meal.
>
>
>
> Please keep this thread on topic, if you do want to discuss other
> relevant subjects could you amend the subject line for reference.
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 02:27:40 +0100
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Installfest ideas and discussion
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I forgot to mention in the other email that the mainstream media may
actually start mentioning how XP will go end of life and what that means
in say March or maybe even February for example and maybe even
January/December for that matter, getting people worried and thinking
they need to buy new computers or upgrade Windows etc. I think either
way we should ideally have the venue, date, and time, decided towards
the end of this year by the latest, and in the case of the venue
properly booked as well. Then can start marketing/promoting the
installfest in say January or December or maybe even November, as in a
installfest that happens in February or March :).
> I think a venue in Bristol or outside Bristol, but near it, places
> such as Filton or UWE. However with venues an issue can be cost, and
> the LUG doesn't really have any money to rent a venue, unless people
> donate money for this purpose. Also I don't think any of the
> distributors for example will just give some money for the installfest
> even if installing their distro at the event.
>
> As for dates well not the weekend of 1st February obviously since
> FOSDEM :), but I think a weekend in February or March. Maybe instead
> of just one day we could have an installfest on two days as in the
> Saturday and Sunday, rather than just say a Saturday. Personally I
> wouldn't really want it to crash with our normal LUG meeting in
> February or the one in March. However I think having it in the last
> weekend of March is a bit to late. February is generally good or is
> it? I mean who are we going to target an installfest to if going to
> have one. I thought it would be the general public as in pretty much
> anyone, so that would also mean for example parents who have kids, and
> well half term is in February, and quite a lot of people go away then
> etc. As a result the half term weekends may not be that good either
> really, depending on who our target audience is. In fact half term or
> otherwise certain people will go away in February to go skiing for
> example.
>
> http://www.bristol.gov.uk/page/children-and-young-people/term-and-holiday-dates
>
> http://www.southglos.gov.uk/Pages/Article%20Pages/Children%20Young%20People/Schools/Schools-term-and-holiday-dates.aspx#.UhvovJb2-so
>
> Something else to think about is the idea of, oh we will decide a
> venue later on close to the event, isn't really that good probably,
> because it would be good to have a month or two at least, and I think
> more so at least two months rather than just one, of marketing the
> event to the general public with a set venue, dates, and times.
> Otherwise the day of an installfest could come and well hardly anyone
> turns up to have an install done, if anyone at all! Also on the
> subject of marketing the event how are we going to do so really?
> Flyers, our LUG website, social networking sites, etc, but what exactly?
>
> I think with the venue dates we could do what this other group did
> (that I am going to be joining soon properly) for an end of year
> meal. Basically used something online for a poll with suggested
> dates, and people put their name forward and said what dates they
> could and couldn't do, then the one with the most votes became the
> date of the meal.
Going to be at a change of venue soon for that group :), since it starts
again soon, once the summer break is over (after that end of year meal
:)). A venue they tried out before, but I missed it then. Maybe a
venue that would be suitable for our installfest to, but one that would
have to be paid for it seems.
Sebastian
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:38:18 +0100
From: Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Installfest ideas and discussion
Message-ID: <521C657A.30204@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
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This idea has been discussed for the last 3 months and there is general
support for an event.
I think the time for "open" discussions is now over and those actually
willing to organize an event should do it do it and come back to the
list occasionally to keep people informed of progress.
Three of us seem to have "volunteered" (Seb, Chris H and me) so, to
avoid duplication of effort, we need to get together/talk about exactly
what we intend to do off-list.
If there is at least one other person willing to help please let me know?
In advance of the above, I have already asked one local Linux company
if they have spare sticks and will be asking others, so if any members
have suggestions of likely companies willing to help/sponsor, please
let me know off-list?
I am also looking for venues in the centre of Bristol and will be
contacting Bristol Wireless/Hackspace to see if they have suitable
facilities available.
I have also looked at past events held by LUG's to avoid any pitfalls
and get details of the type of installs performed.
If anyone has particular tips from their experiences of such events
please let me know off-list.
Thanks
--
Peter H
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