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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop (AJ)
2. Re: keyboard problem (jpff)
3. Re: Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop (Peter Hemmings)
4. Re: Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop (Peter Hemmings)
5. Re: Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop (Sebastian)
6. Re: Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop (Sebastian)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 14:49:03 +0000
From: AJ <lists@g7kna.co.uk>
To: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>, Bristol and Bath
Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID:
<CAEMisWA_yjr5V4N7F3xUK4aMZyDto3403EhJHJ86JYR38Ff=Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Peter,

Have you got a VNC server running on the Pi?

Regards

Andy
--
Andy Jenner
Q: What goes; "Pieces of seven, pieces of seven"?
A: A parroty error

On 1 January 2017 at 18:40, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Happy New Year to you all.
>
> I have been attempting to see my pi desktop via vnc and realize I am a bit
> short of some "Basic" knowledge!
>
> The simple question is:
>
> What exactly is VNC, is it the overriding general concept or is vnc just
> one of many protocols like RDP?
>
> The reason I ask is because I can ssh from my PC/laptop/Android to the pi
> CLI OK. I can also see the pi desktop via RDP viewer (from fedora 24) BUT I
> cannot connect using x11vnc on the pi.
>
> I have configured a password (as user) it appears to not have it registered.
> I have also tried various x11vnc commands to find a password but it still
> refuses to start.
>
> FYI I am using the latest Raspian OS. Perhaps the problem is I have got
> remains of an old vnc config that is causing this problem.
>
> Unfortunately I cannot show any outputs as I cannot find how I can cut and
> paste from a remote desktop screen to this PC. If anyone has done this
> could you please let me know?
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
>
> --
> Peter H
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 15:32:53 +0000 (GMT)
From: jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] keyboard problem
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1701021528050.9468@snout.codemist.co.uk>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII

Thank you for all the information. unfortunately for some advice this is a
Z30-A-106 laptop and to remove the keyboard requires totally taking the
machine apart. I found a video doing it in only 30 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTxhEjBbh8
which looks really scarey for someone as hardware incompetent as I am.
Will investigate a laptop shop.
==John ff

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 16:07:07 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: AJ <lists@g7kna.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <c4db668b-01a8-7b23-314b-285c84c56290@virginmedia.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi,

On 02/01/17 14:49, AJ via Bristol wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Have you got a VNC server running on the Pi?

Nope, because it does not accept the password.
Checked this by using "Fing" app on my Android phone.
It does have a xrdp service on port 3389 that works but no 5900 01 02 etc.

>
> Regards
>
> Andy
> --
> Andy Jenner
> Q: What goes; "Pieces of seven, pieces of seven"?
> A: A parroty error
>
>
> On 1 January 2017 at 18:40, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Happy New Year to you all.
>>
>> I have been attempting to see my pi desktop via vnc and realize I am a bit
>> short of some "Basic" knowledge!
>>
>> The simple question is:
>>
>> What exactly is VNC, is it the overriding general concept or is vnc just
>> one of many protocols like RDP?
>>
>> The reason I ask is because I can ssh from my PC/laptop/Android to the pi
>> CLI OK. I can also see the pi desktop via RDP viewer (from fedora 24) BUT I
>> cannot connect using x11vnc on the pi.
>>
>> I have configured a password (as user) it appears to not have it registered.
>> I have also tried various x11vnc commands to find a password but it still
>> refuses to start.
>>
>> FYI I am using the latest Raspian OS. Perhaps the problem is I have got
>> remains of an old vnc config that is causing this problem.
>>
>> Unfortunately I cannot show any outputs as I cannot find how I can cut and
>> paste from a remote desktop screen to this PC. If anyone has done this
>> could you please let me know?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> --
>> Peter H
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 17:35:18 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: BBLUG <Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Cc: AJ <lists@g7kna.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <b95b89bf-4c92-df91-d205-2d64f06139db@virginmedia.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Andy,

On 02/01/17 16:25, AJ wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Don't know how much of this you are familiar with so if I cover things
> you know I apologise, I am not trying to teach granny, or anyone else
> for that matter, how to suck eggs.

OK

>
> VNC has two components:
> 1. A VNC server running on the target machine that is to be
> controlled, in this case your Pi
> 2. A VNC client running on the machine you are operating usually a
> tablet or other portable device
>
> You need to configure the server on the target machine and in doing so
> will configure ports it listens on and the password to access the
> server.
>
> Once the server is running on the target machine (Pi) you should be
> able to connect to it by starting the VNC client on whatever device
> you want to control the Pi from and pointing it at the IP address (or
> hostname if your LAN supports that) of your Pi. The server on the Pi
> will then prompt for the password which is entered and then the Pi
> desktop should be seen within the VNC window.

I did know most of the above but was reassurance that most of what I am
doing is correct!

>
> Have a look here:
>
> https://www.realvnc.com/docs/raspberry-pi.html

That is a bit better than what I was using!

I originally was going to use either tightvnc or realvnc (cannot
remember which) and read that I could not fully control the desktop and
was advised to use x11vnc server.
I went through a procedure that "greyed out" the vnc option in rasp
config, which is still "greyed out".

If I log in via rdp I can see its still greyed out.
If I ssh into a CLI and type:

sudo systemctl enable vncserver-x11-serviced.service

it seem to work without complaining but if I do a "Status" I get errors
like:

loaded enabled
Active Failed (result: start limit) ...... Maind PID: 589 (code=exited,
status=203/EXEC)

and

vncserver-x11-serviced.service start request repeated too quickly,
refusing to start.
Failed to start VNV Server in Service Mode Daemon.

(sorry had to type the above as I cannot copy/paste from remote viewer
window)

I think I will start with a new raspian install to ensure any old config
settings are not the cause of the problem!

BTW is tightvnc a fully functioning server or is it a cut down version?

>
> I used to use something similar to remotely administer my fathers
> Windows PC in Backwell from my Linux box (or laptop) in Nailsea.
>
> I had previously installed TightVNC server on his desktop but didn't
> have it running as a service. His PC had a static IP on his LAN and
> the router was configured to port forward the VNC ports, the numbers
> of which I can't remember off hand, directly to his PC. To overcome
> the fact that his external IP address was dynamic I used DynDNS to
> provide a constant connection point on the web.
>
> When he had problems he would 'phone me and I would instruct him how
> to start the VNC server and then connect to it remotely from home and
> look at whatever issue he had. We would usually chat over SKYPE
> (audio only as VNC with video is painfull) or Google Talk as I was
> showing him how to do things by talking him through the process as I
> clicked on things on his desktop.
>
> Regards
>
> Andy
> --
> Andy Jenner
> Q: What goes; "Pieces of seven, pieces of seven"?
> A: A parroty error

Thanks

--
Peter H

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 18:19:53 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <0cd703bd-b640-49e2-a055-6d64690e2500@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi Peter

If going to use VNC Virtual Network Connection, you will indeed need a
working VNC server on the Rassbery Pi, then a client to connect to it on
your other device. Their is a default port for VNC from what I remember,
but you should be able to set it to anything you want or nearly I belive,
and be that just in a router for the whole Internet or a local area
network. I belive for xrdp you can change the port yourself, but really
RDP Remote Desktop Protocoll is the Microsoft one. There's also FreeNX
for example, but not used that one before myself. SSH is ok if you just
want to do the terminal, but yes anything graphical going to need something
such as VNC.

Hope this helps.

New Years

Regards

Sebastian

On Monday, 2 January 2017 16:07:07 GMT, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 02/01/17 14:49, AJ via Bristol wrote:
>> Peter,
>>
>> Have you got a VNC server running on the Pi?
>
> Nope, because it does not accept the password.
> Checked this by using "Fing" app on my Android phone.
> It does have a xrdp service on port 3389 that works but no 5900 01 02 etc.
>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Andy
>> --
>> Andy Jenner
>> Q: What goes; "Pieces of seven, pieces of seven"?
>> A: A parroty error
>>
>>
>> On 1 January 2017 at 18:40, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
>> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Happy New Year to you all.
>>>
>>> I have been attempting to see my pi desktop via vnc and
>>> realize I am a bit
>>> short of some "Basic" knowledge!
>>>
>>> The simple question is:
>>>
>>> What exactly is VNC, is it the overriding general concept or is vnc just
>>> one of many protocols like RDP?
>>>
>>> The reason I ask is because I can ssh from my PC/laptop/Android to the pi
>>> CLI OK. I can also see the pi desktop via RDP viewer (from
>>> fedora 24) BUT I
>>> cannot connect using x11vnc on the pi.
>>>
>>> I have configured a password (as user) it appears to not have
>>> it registered.
>>> I have also tried various x11vnc commands to find a password but it still
>>> refuses to start.
>>>
>>> FYI I am using the latest Raspian OS. Perhaps the problem is I have got
>>> remains of an old vnc config that is causing this problem.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I cannot show any outputs as I cannot find how
>>> I can cut and
>>> paste from a remote desktop screen to this PC. If anyone has done this
>>> could you please let me know?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter H
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bristol mailing list
>>> Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
> Regards

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 18:25:24 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <3fc7d892-8eab-4e70-8f17-f4dd161550eb@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Also you can only use one graphical one at once as far as I know, can't use
more than one I belive. However SSH can be used with VNC to make it more
secure over the Internet for example. Also to be clear you don't need to
VNC etc, over the Internet to connect to your Rassbery Pi if the client is
near and you do it over the LAN, but doing so over the Internet would be a
possible option. Bearing that in mind make sure you know what any open
ports for remote connecting, are being used for, are they ports being
opended up for the whole Internet, or just to anything on your LAN. On a
LAN would be using a internal ip address to connect as well, via the
Internet it would be your external ip address.

On Monday, 2 January 2017 18:19:53 GMT, Sebastian via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter
>
> If going to use VNC Virtual Network Connection, you will indeed need a
> working VNC server on the Rassbery Pi, then a client to connect to it on
> your other device. Their is a default port for VNC from what I remember,
> but you should be able to set it to anything you want or nearly I belive,
> and be that just in a router for the whole Internet or a local area
> network. I belive for xrdp you can change the port yourself, but really
> RDP Remote Desktop Protocoll is the Microsoft one. There's also FreeNX
> for example, but not used that one before myself. SSH is ok if you just
> want to do the terminal, but yes anything graphical going to need something
> such as VNC.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> New Years
>
> Regards
>
> Sebastian
>
> On Monday, 2 January 2017 16:07:07 GMT, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 02/01/17 14:49, AJ via Bristol wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> Have you got a VNC server running on the Pi?
>>
>> Nope, because it does not accept the password.
>> Checked this by using "Fing" app on my Android phone.
>> It does have a xrdp service on port 3389 that works but no 5900 01 02 etc.
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Andy
>>> --
>>> Andy Jenner
>>> Q: What goes; "Pieces of seven, pieces of seven"?
>>> A: A parroty error
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 January 2017 at 18:40, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
>>> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Happy New Year to you all.
>>>>
>>>> I have been attempting to see my pi desktop via vnc and
>>>> realize I am a bit
>>>> short of some "Basic" knowledge!
>>>>
>>>> The simple question is:
>>>>
>>>> What exactly is VNC, is it the overriding general concept
>>>> or is vnc just
>>>> one of many protocols like RDP?
>>>>
>>>> The reason I ask is because I can ssh from my
>>>> PC/laptop/Android to the pi
>>>> CLI OK. I can also see the pi desktop via RDP viewer (from
>>>> fedora 24) BUT I
>>>> cannot connect using x11vnc on the pi.
>>>>
>>>> I have configured a password (as user) it appears to not have
>>>> it registered.
>>>> I have also tried various x11vnc commands to find a password
>>>> but it still
>>>> refuses to start.
>>>>
>>>> FYI I am using the latest Raspian OS. Perhaps the problem is I have got
>>>> remains of an old vnc config that is causing this problem.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately I cannot show any outputs as I cannot find how
>>>> I can cut and
>>>> paste from a remote desktop screen to this PC. If anyone has done this
>>>> could you please let me know?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter H
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Bristol mailing list
>>>> Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
>>>
>>
>> Regards
>
>

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Today's Topics:

1. keyboard problem (jpff)
2. Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop (Peter Hemmings)
3. Re: keyboard problem (Martin Moore)
4. Re: keyboard problem (Alex Butcher (LUG))
5. Re: keyboard problem (Peter Grandi)
6. Re: keyboard problem (jpff)
7. Re: keyboard problem (Andrew)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 18:24:25 +0000
From: jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [bristol] keyboard problem
Message-ID: <2512-Sun01Jan2017182425+0000-jpff@codemist.co.uk>

Not sure I can type this cleanly....

My laptop has developed a mind of its own, randomly typing down-arrow
while I watch. Makes many things difficult.

Any suggestion as how to fix/avoid/live with?

==John ffitch
OpensuSE13.2

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 18:40:32 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: BBLUG <Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <8f6ae639-1343-9329-5883-c6d2f0ad4500@virginmedia.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi,

Happy New Year to you all.

I have been attempting to see my pi desktop via vnc and realize I am a
bit short of some "Basic" knowledge!

The simple question is:

What exactly is VNC, is it the overriding general concept or is vnc
just one of many protocols like RDP?

The reason I ask is because I can ssh from my PC/laptop/Android to the
pi CLI OK. I can also see the pi desktop via RDP viewer (from fedora
24) BUT I cannot connect using x11vnc on the pi.

I have configured a password (as user) it appears to not have it
registered. I have also tried various x11vnc commands to find a password
but it still refuses to start.

FYI I am using the latest Raspian OS. Perhaps the problem is I have got
remains of an old vnc config that is causing this problem.

Unfortunately I cannot show any outputs as I cannot find how I can cut
and paste from a remote desktop screen to this PC. If anyone has done
this could you please let me know?

Thanks

Regards

--
Peter H

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 19:12:56 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] keyboard problem
Message-ID: <14812436-35F3-487A-B2A2-4827961974F7@it-helps.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Probably a bust key. Needs a new kbd.

My Mrs' had the same problem.

Martin.

On 01/01/2017, 18:24, "Bristol on behalf of jpff via Bristol" <bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk on behalf of bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:

Not sure I can type this cleanly....

My laptop has developed a mind of its own, randomly typing down-arrow
while I watch. Makes many things difficult.

Any suggestion as how to fix/avoid/live with?

==John ffitch
OpensuSE13.2

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 20:52:15 +0000
From: "Alex Butcher (LUG)" <lug@assursys.co.uk>
To: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, Martin Moore via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] keyboard problem
Message-ID: <3FB3D0F1-893A-43F5-8955-A0D5EB4A0DA8@assursys.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

If the laptop is something mainstream, you shouldn't need to pay more than £30 (and hopefully a fair bit less!) for a new one.

Best Regards,
Alex

On 1 January 2017 19:12:56 GMT+00:00, Martin Moore via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>Probably a bust key. Needs a new kbd.
>
>My Mrs' had the same problem.
>
>
>Martin.
>
>
>
>On 01/01/2017, 18:24, "Bristol on behalf of jpff via Bristol"
><bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk on behalf of
>bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Not sure I can type this cleanly....
>
> My laptop has developed a mind of its own, randomly typing down-arrow
> while I watch. Makes many things difficult.
>
> Any suggestion as how to fix/avoid/live with?
>
> ==John ffitch
> OpensuSE13.2
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 21:21:59 +0000
From: pg_brlug@brlug.for.sabi.co.uk (Peter Grandi)
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] keyboard problem
Message-ID: <22633.29431.124710.188348@tree.ty.sabi.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

>> My laptop has developed a mind of its own, randomly typing
>> down-arrow while I watch. Makes many things difficult.

> Probably a bust key. Needs a new kbd.

Most likely indeed a bust key, often it is just gunk making it
sticky. Possible remedies/workarounds:

* Disable that key in both the console and the X windows
keyboard decoding tables. To disable simply don't assign
any symbol to it. There are many howtos on how to edit those
tables, mostly for remapping keys for international users.

* Clean your keyboard. It is usually fairly easy to remove a
keyboard from a laptop by removing first the top shell, and
sometimes just a strip. There are videos that show how to
remove a laptop's keyboard for many/most models.

* Physically disable the relevant key on the keyboard; this is
often not easy as they are tightly packed.

* Replace the keyboard entirely. There are several suppliers of
fairly cheap official and unofficial replacement parts for
many laptops, and keyboards are one of the most common items
replaced.

In general I use my laptop mostly at home or work, and then
I use it with an external keyboard to avoid wearing down the
builtin one (for many people keyboards and mice are in effect
consumables), and also because builtin laptop keyoards are often
not very comfortable (and I like mechanical keyboards).

Also it is often nice to use a laptop stand to elevate the
screen, and then the keyboard becomes too high. I also as a rule
use an external monitor and keep the laptop closed (disabling the
automatic sleep mode when it is shut). This gives me at home and
work a better larger screen.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01CNMQUPQ/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01BPCTXHC/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B018KAN8XM/

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 22:03:54 +0000 (GMT)
From: jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk>
To: "Alex Butcher (LUG)" <lug@assursys.co.uk>
Cc: Martin Moore via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, Martin
Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] keyboard problem
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1701012157560.5770@snout.codemist.co.uk>
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It is a Toshiba Portege; actually the keyboard as keys that do not work
often (rnh in particular). This is the 5th laptop I have owned and the
only non-Thinkpad. The first time have ad a real problem wit any.
I know this sounds lame, but ow does one go about getting a keyboard
replaced?
==John ff

On Sun, 1 Jan 2017, Alex Butcher (LUG) wrote:

> If the laptop is something mainstream, you shouldn't need to pay more than £30
> (and hopefully a fair bit less!) for a new one.
>
> Best Regards,
> Alex
>
> On 1 January 2017 19:12:56 GMT+00:00, Martin Moore via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Probably a bust key. Needs a new kbd.
> My Mrs' had the same problem.
> Martin.
> On 01/01/2017, 18:24, "Bristol on behalf of jpff via Bristol" <bristol-bounces
> @mailman.lug.org.uk on behalf of bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Not sure I can type this cleanly....
>
> My laptop has developed a mind of its own, randomly typing down-arrow
> while I watch. Makes many things difficult.
>
> Any suggestion as how to fix/avoid/live with?
>
> ==John ffitch
> OpensuSE13.2
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 22:35:00 +0000
From: Andrew <andrewsoltau@gmail.com>
To: jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] keyboard problem
Message-ID: <6b42ced9-1141-4c2c-af6d-abfef4d8b17d@1dtv.com>
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On 01/01/17 22:03, jpff via Bristol wrote:
> It is a Toshiba Portege; actually the keyboard as keys that do not
> work often (rnh in particular). This is the 5th laptop I have owned
> and the only non-Thinkpad. The first time have ad a real problem wit
> any.
> I know this sounds lame, but ow does one go about getting a keyboard
> replaced?
> ==John ff
Any laptop shop eg
http://www.appleservice.co.uk/
http://www.rebootltd.com/

Or do it yourself
Instructions here:

http://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptops/Toshiba-Portege-R200/replace-damaged-keyboard.htm

hth

Andrew

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 13:41:24 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Google cloud ssh keys
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I'm tinkering with Google cloud (Debian) but can't work out how to get my keys on. The instructions don't work for me (nothing happens and no error msg) and there doesn't seem to be anything else on google that helps.

It can't be difficult! What do I need to do?

>From OSx preferably, but can do from Debian.

Martin.

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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 13:44:03 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Google cloud ssh keys
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I'm tinkering with Google cloud (Debian) but can't work out how to get my keys on. The instructions don't work for me (nothing happens and no error msg) and there doesn't seem to be anything else on google that helps.
 
It can't be difficult! What do I need to do?
>From OSx preferably, but can do it from Debian.
 
 
Martin.

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 13:53:12 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] FW: Google cloud ssh keys
Message-ID: <3CBF0E22-95D4-4253-ADDD-827D7E468903@it-helps.co.uk>
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OK, sorted it – just scp'd using pwd from the Google instance.

Martin.

On 28/12/2016, 13:44, "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk> wrote:

I'm tinkering with Google cloud (Debian) but can't work out how to get my keys on. The instructions don't work for me (nothing happens and no error msg) and there doesn't seem to be anything else on google that helps.

It can't be difficult! What do I need to do?
From OSx preferably, but can do it from Debian.


Martin.

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 21:18:48 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] shared object runtime problem
Message-ID: <BB1D18EA-9FBF-4B2C-AA95-5B461D823F81@it-helps.co.uk>
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I'm progressing with my Google Cloud build, and have a postgres database up and running. However, I get the following error when I run some postgres functions using the so:

Dec 28 21:06:49 instance-1 kernel: [116302.224302] traps: postgres[4524] general protection ip:7fab60cc27be sp:7fffd0955500 error:0 in pgsphtrig.so[7fab60cc1000+7000]

pgsphtrig.so was compiled on the instance so should be fine. I added the –fPIC flags as requested by the compiler.

How can I debug this/find the problem?

Cheers,

Martin.

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 23:07:24 +0000
From: Amias Channer <me@amias.net>
To: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux
User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FW: Google cloud ssh keys
Message-ID:
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There is a a script in most linux distros callled ssh-copy-id which
automates that.
Its reliable in my experience.

Cheers
Amias

On 28 December 2016 at 13:53, Martin Moore via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> OK, sorted it – just scp'd using pwd from the Google instance.
>
>
>
> Martin.
>
> On 28/12/2016, 13:44, "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I'm tinkering with Google cloud (Debian) but can't work out how to get my keys on. The instructions don't work for me (nothing happens and no error msg) and there doesn't seem to be anything else on google that helps.
>
> It can't be difficult! What do I need to do?
> From OSx preferably, but can do it from Debian.
>
>
> Martin.
>
>
>
>
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3. Re: Event Organisers and Helpers Wanted for LPD 2017.1 (Sebastian)
4. Re: Event Organisers and Helpers Wanted for LPD 2017.1
(Marton Balazs)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:29:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: Marton Balazs <balmar3@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Event Organisers and Helpers Wanted for LPD
2017.1
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1612221848160.15705@mipici>
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Dear List,

I've been accepted here (thanks!) and quietly reading the list for the last few
months, but I thought it's time to come forward a bit now: I'd be happy to help
with the April event.

I'm no professional, I just have had Linux as a user for 15 years now. I
started with Suse+KDE back then, later searched for something simpler and
switched to Ubuntu with Gnome in 2003. I escaped the Gnome 3 era when it came
by turning to Xubuntu which I'm happily using ever since. At my amateur level
I'm organising my life mostly around the terminal, relying heavily on alpine,
vim (including vim-calendar for Google and an org-mode extension), rsync across
machines at home/in work and various simple bash scripts that make my life
enormously comfortable. :-)

English is not my first language and this becomes apparent to anyone after a
few moments of hearing me. But I've been in Bristol for more than 3 yeas now
and I think I can communicate well.

If you can use me I'd be happy to contribute to the Linux Presentation Day next
April.

Kind Regards,
Marton Balazs

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016, Sebastian via Bristol wrote:

> Hi
>
> As mentioned to this mailiing list before the plan is to have another two
> events next year in Bristol for Linux Presentation Day (
> http://linux-presentation-day.org http://linux-presentation-day.org.uk ).
> I have one confirmed other organiser so far, or so it seems, but not sure
> about anyone else, and if you would like to help organise or just on the
> day or mostly, etc, and in what kind of ways you would like to help with
> the event as well. Please get back to me properly on list or off list, as
> soon as possible, if you are interested. Then we may even have a
> organisers/helpers meeting next month before the LUG meeting even, with the
> event itself in late April probably on the 29th. Please read previous
> email from last week to this mailing list for more general event
> information. Our mailing list also gets archieved.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Sebastian
>
> P.S
>
> If the email to name is wrong, its since a email client issue.
>
>
> --
> Sent using Dekko from my Ubuntu device

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 21:30:12 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Event Organisers and Helpers Wanted for LPD
2017.1
Message-ID: <186cf155-8b80-4947-81e5-b9d182fd6c38@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:29:20 GMT, Marton Balazs via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> I've been accepted here (thanks!) and quietly reading the list
> for the last few
> months, but I thought it's time to come forward a bit now: I'd
> be happy to help
> with the April event.
>
> I'm no professional, I just have had Linux as a user for 15 years now. I
> started with Suse+KDE back then, later searched for something simpler and
> switched to Ubuntu with Gnome in 2003. I escaped the Gnome 3
> era when it came
> by turning to Xubuntu which I'm happily using ever since. At my
> amateur level
> I'm organising my life mostly around the terminal, relying
> heavily on alpine,
> vim (including vim-calendar for Google and an org-mode
> extension), rsync across
> machines at home/in work and various simple bash scripts that make my life
> enormously comfortable. :-)

Ok it seems that you are a bit more than just reasoanbly experienced with
Desktop Linux, and have actualy used it for a bit longer than me as well.
Which distro/s do you currently run at home and work, Xubuntu? What's your
Linux using job as well?
>
> English is not my first language and this becomes apparent to anyone after a
> few moments of hearing me.

Thats absoutly fine, and where are you from, and whats your first language?

But I've been in Bristol for more than 3 yeas now

Ok why the move to Bristol, work?

> and I think I can communicate well.
>
> If you can use me I'd be happy to contribute to the Linux
> Presentation Day next
> April.

Yes you will/would be of use, and thank you for volunteering :). By the way
how did you find out about the LUG in the first place and when?

I assume you haven't been to any of the LUG meetings yet, but I hope to
meet at the LUG meeting next month, next year, in Jan, and maybe at a event
organisers/helpers meeting next month before the LUG meeting as well.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Marton Balazs
>
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Dec 2016, Sebastian via Bristol wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> As mentioned to this mailiing list before the plan is to have another two
>> events next year in Bristol for Linux Presentation Day (
>> http://linux-presentation-day.org http://linux-presentation-day.org.uk ).
>> I have one confirmed other organiser so far, or so it seems, but not sure
>> about anyone else, and if you would like to help organise or just on the
>> day or mostly, etc, and in what kind of ways you would like to help with
>> the event as well. Please get back to me properly on list or
>> off list, as
>> soon as possible, if you are interested. Then we may even have a
>> organisers/helpers meeting next month before the LUG meeting
>> even, with the
>> event itself in late April probably on the 29th. Please read previous
>> email from last week to this mailing list for more general event
>> information. Our mailing list also gets archieved.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>> P.S
>>
>> If the email to name is wrong, its since a email client issue.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent using Dekko from my Ubuntu device
>

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 21:38:21 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Event Organisers and Helpers Wanted for LPD
2017.1
Message-ID: <65a8942e-d752-4104-b357-fa79fc046052@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

I lost the original email message that was going to send: Asking you
properly if you wanted to help with organising of the event, and then being
at the event as an organiser as well, or just on the day as a on the day
helper, didn't get into my new email response.

On Thursday, 22 December 2016 21:30:12 GMT, Sebastian
<sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:29:20 GMT, Marton Balazs via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I've been accepted here (thanks!) and quietly reading the list
>> for the last few
>> months, but I thought it's time to come forward a bit now: I'd
>> be happy to help
>> with the April event.
>>
>> I'm no professional, I just have had Linux as a user for 15 years now. I
>> started with Suse+KDE back then, later searched for something simpler and
>> switched to Ubuntu with Gnome in 2003. I escaped the Gnome 3
>> era when it came
>> by turning to Xubuntu which I'm happily using ever since. At my
>> amateur level
>> I'm organising my life mostly around the terminal, relying
>> heavily on alpine,
>> vim (including vim-calendar for Google and an org-mode
>> extension), rsync across
>> machines at home/in work and various simple bash scripts that
>> make my life
>> enormously comfortable. :-)
>
> Ok it seems that you are a bit more than just reasoanbly experienced with
> Desktop Linux, and have actualy used it for a bit longer than me as well.
> Which distro/s do you currently run at home and work, Xubuntu?
> What's your
> Linux using job as well?
>>
>> English is not my first language and this becomes apparent to
>> anyone after a
>> few moments of hearing me.
>
> Thats absoutly fine, and where are you from, and whats your first language?
>
> But I've been in Bristol for more than 3 yeas now
>
> Ok why the move to Bristol, work?
>
>> and I think I can communicate well.
>>
>> If you can use me I'd be happy to contribute to the Linux
>> Presentation Day next
>> April.
>
> Yes you will/would be of use, and thank you for volunteering
> :). By the way
> how did you find out about the LUG in the first place and when?
>
> I assume you haven't been to any of the LUG meetings yet, but I hope to
> meet at the LUG meeting next month, next year, in Jan, and
> maybe at a event
> organisers/helpers meeting next month before the LUG meeting as well.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Marton Balazs
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Dec 2016, Sebastian via Bristol wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> As mentioned to this mailiing list before the plan is to have
>>> another two
>>> events next year in Bristol for Linux Presentation Day (
>>> http://linux-presentation-day.org
>>> http://linux-presentation-day.org.uk ).
>>> I have one confirmed other organiser so far, or so it seems,
>>> but not sure
>>> about anyone else, and if you would like to help organise or
>>> just on the
>>> day or mostly, etc, and in what kind of ways you would like
>>> to help with
>>> the event as well. Please get back to me properly on list or
>>> off list, as
>>> soon as possible, if you are interested. Then we may even have a
>>> organisers/helpers meeting next month before the LUG meeting
>>> even, with the
>>> event itself in late April probably on the 29th. Please read previous
>>> email from last week to this mailing list for more general event
>>> information. Our mailing list also gets archieved.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>> P.S
>>>
>>> If the email to name is wrong, its since a email client issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent using Dekko from my Ubuntu device
>>
>
>

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 21:53:23 +0000 (GMT)
From: Marton Balazs <balmar3@gmail.com>
To: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Event Organisers and Helpers Wanted for LPD
2017.1
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1612222142590.13750@miasrock>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016, Sebastian via Bristol wrote:

> Ok it seems that you are a bit more than just reasoanbly experienced with
> Desktop Linux, and have actualy used it for a bit longer than me as well.
> Which distro/s do you currently run at home and work, Xubuntu?

Xubuntu, both home and work. (Except for a Sheevaplug at home which runs
Debian.)

> What's your Linux using job as well?

I'm at the University. Luckily they are happy with some of us using Linux
there.

>> English is not my first language and this becomes apparent to anyone after
> a
>> few moments of hearing me.
>
> Thats absoutly fine, and where are you from, and whats your first language?

Hungary, Hungarian.

> But I've been in Bristol for more than 3 yeas now
>
> Ok why the move to Bristol, work?

Yes, work.

>> and I think I can communicate well.
>>
>> If you can use me I'd be happy to contribute to the Linux
>> Presentation Day next
>> April.
>
> Yes you will/would be of use, and thank you for volunteering :).

Ok, let me know how. I'll be happy with whichever role you assign to me, maybe
I should start with something simple. :-) I'll try to make it to the next
meeting to discuss.

> By the way how did you find out about the LUG in the first place and when?

I think it was before the previous Presentation Day. The ad came through a
university mailing list.

> I assume you haven't been to any of the LUG meetings yet, but I hope to
> meet at the LUG meeting next month, next year, in Jan, and maybe at a event
> organisers/helpers meeting next month before the LUG meeting as well.

I'll try.

Thanks,
Marton

>> Kind Regards,
>> Marton Balazs

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 22:41:27 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Marton Balazs <balmar3@gmail.com>
Cc: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com
Subject: Re: [bristol] Event Organisers and Helpers Wanted for LPD
2017.1
Message-ID: <a6a3dd4a-9718-4187-97b9-e8e9168a6241@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On Thursday, 22 December 2016 21:53:23 GMT, Marton Balazs
<balmar3@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Dec 2016, Sebastian via Bristol wrote:
>
>> Ok it seems that you are a bit more than just reasoanbly
>> experienced with
>> Desktop Linux, and have actualy used it for a bit longer than
>> me as well.
>> Which distro/s do you currently run at home and work, Xubuntu?
>
> Xubuntu, both home and work. (Except for a Sheevaplug at home which runs
> Debian.)
>
>> What's your Linux using job as well?
>
> I'm at the University. Luckily they are happy with some of us using Linux
> there.
>
Oh right univeristy of Bristol I guess, as a lectuerer?

>>> English is not my first language and this becomes apparent to
>>> anyone after
>> a
>>> few moments of hearing me.
>>
>> Thats absoutly fine, and where are you from, and whats your
>> first language?
>
> Hungary, Hungarian.
>
>> But I've been in Bristol for more than 3 yeas now
>>
>> Ok why the move to Bristol, work?
>
> Yes, work.
>
>>> and I think I can communicate well.
>>>
>>> If you can use me I'd be happy to contribute to the Linux
>>> Presentation Day next
>>> April.
>>
>> Yes you will/would be of use, and thank you for volunteering :).
>
> Ok, let me know how. I'll be happy with whichever role you
> assign to me, maybe
> I should start with something simple. :-) I'll try to make it to the next
> meeting to discuss.

It will be mostly demoing, plus got certain other tasks that should be done
as well, that aren't technical.
>
>> By the way how did you find out about the LUG in the first
>> place and when?
>
> I think it was before the previous Presentation Day. The ad came through a
> university mailing list.

Probably something that was sent from someone who helped organise last
time.
>
>> I assume you haven't been to any of the LUG meetings yet, but I hope to
>> meet at the LUG meeting next month, next year, in Jan, and
>> maybe at a event
>> organisers/helpers meeting next month before the LUG meeting as well.
>
> I'll try.

Ok hope to meet you next month, next year, thanks again.
>
> Thanks,
> Marton
>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Marton Balazs
>

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4. Event Organisers and Helpers Wanted for LPD 2017.1 (Sebastian)
5. Re: FOSDEM 2017 (David Smith)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 14:23:14 +0000
From: David Smith <David.Smith@imgtec.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bristol [mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Sebastian via Bristol
>
> The Eurostar is cheaper, and not the first time people have been like, from
> the UK, your going to Brussels why not on the Eurostar. However here's how
> I see it, we are down here in this area, so to go by Eurostar first you got to
> get to London, well actually past London, Dover? That's over two hours
> travelling already! With a plane can leave at a nicer time for a later flight, and
> waiting around a bit in less busy airports such as Bristol, doesn't bother me at
> all, usually better not on own though.

Not Dover - Bristol Temple Meads/Parkway to Paddington, Paddington to St Pancras on the tube (Circle/Hammersmith&City), St Pancras to Brussels on Eurostar.

My experience was that, to Grenoble, the journey time was similar once you factor in the fact that I'm on completely the wrong side of Bristol for the airport so it's a minimum 1/2 hr journey time (compared to a quick hop to Parkway station), the extra time in the airports (you don't have to check in an hour or more before departure for a train), waiting at baggage reclaim, sorting out a hire car at the other end, then 2-3 hours of driving to get from Geneva to Grenoble (no direct flights outside of ski season). Both of them worked out at about 8 hours.

> Flying from Brussels from down here only takes about an hour and ten
> minutes, only about 45 minutes from Heathrow as well (done that before as
> well), way quicker to fly. With a train may have to wait around in train
> stations as well, or for trains that are delayed, etc. Plus it's eaiser
> to travel with an extra bag via planes, since that's one of the first things that
> is done, getting rid of that extra bag :).

I'd go the other way around - you don't have the 100 ml restrictions for hand baggage, plus no waiting at baggage reclaim at the other end - just walk out with all your stuff.

Well, it was just a suggestion.

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:54:13 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
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On Wednesday, 21 December 2016 14:23:14 GMT, David Smith via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bristol [mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>> Sebastian via Bristol
>>
>> The Eurostar is cheaper, and not the first time people have
>> been like, from
>> the UK, your going to Brussels why not on the Eurostar.
>> However here's how
>> I see it, we are down here in this area, so to go by Eurostar
>> first you got to
>> get to London, well actually past London, Dover? That's over two hours
>> travelling already! With a plane can leave at a nicer time
>> for a later flight, and
>> waiting around a bit in less busy airports such as Bristol,
>> doesn't bother me at
>> all, usually better not on own though.
>
> Not Dover - Bristol Temple Meads/Parkway to Paddington,
> Paddington to St Pancras on the tube (Circle/Hammersmith&City),
> St Pancras to Brussels on Eurostar.

Oh ok haven't made that journey, and many years ago since going in a car
with my family on the Eurostar to France. Or from Dover over to France or
Belgium via the ferrys even.

>
> My experience was that, to Grenoble, the journey time was
> similar once you factor in the fact that I'm on completely the
> wrong side of Bristol for the airport so it's a minimum 1/2 hr
> journey time (compared to a quick hop to Parkway station),

I am about an hour maybe about 45 minutes depending on traffic, from that
air port, via car or taxi, so not that near as well. Bristol Parkway is
about half an hour in a car/taxi or on a particular bus that doesn't go
that often, so not near as well in a way.

the
> extra time in the airports (you don't have to check in an hour
> or more before departure for a train), waiting at baggage
> reclaim,

No, but trains can get delayed or missed, resulting in having to wait
longer at the train station

sorting out a hire car at the other end, then 2-3 hours
> of driving to get from Geneva to Grenoble (no direct flights
> outside of ski season).
If going to Brussels or Geneva or some where like that and via car, then
surely its better really to go all the way via car, and the Eurostar or
ferryr?
Both of them worked out at about 8
> hours.
>
>> Flying from Brussels from down here only takes about an hour and ten
>> minutes, only about 45 minutes from Heathrow as well (done
>> that before as
>> well), way quicker to fly. With a train may have to wait
>> around in train
>> stations as well, or for trains that are delayed, etc. Plus it's eaiser
>> to travel with an extra bag via planes, since that's one of
>> the first things that
>> is done, getting rid of that extra bag :).
>
> I'd go the other way around - you don't have the 100 ml
> restrictions for hand baggage, plus no waiting at baggage
> reclaim at the other end - just walk out with all your stuff.
>
> Well, it was just a suggestion.

That's ok to suggest, and if this email comes up with the wrong to name,
it's since a email client issue.

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 23:24:57 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Fwd: Last LUG Meeting of 2016 this Saturday!
Tommorow!
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On Saturday, 17 December 2016 18:16:47 GMT, peternsomerset--- via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Yes I was there!
> A small but intelligent group turned up late!

Yeah something like that, but not quite, only four of us were there
including us two, hopefully quite a few more people next month :).

> Happy Christmas☺
> --
> Sent from myMail for Android Saturday, 17 December 2016,
> 02:58pm +00:00 from Samir Benmendil via Bristol
> bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk :
>
>>
>>
>>Anyone there already? Couldn't find anyone.
>>
>> On Friday, 16 December 2016, Sebastian via Bristol <
>> bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk > wrote:
>>>Hi
>>>
>>> WOW what a great turn out, WOW, WOW, indeed, what a great
>>> turn out, for last months November LUG meeting. I remember
>>> emailing here on the list about how it would be basically good
>>> to have a 10 people turn out, and we had like 11, including
>>> ourselves people who turned up Three from the event the
>>> previous month it seems as well, well ok two don't really
>>> count I guess then since were already on the mailing list
>>> apparnatly, but still one guy did come in from the event.
>>> That was good, after running the event and the type of event
>>> it was, and general turn out it ended up getting, and of what
>>> kind of people. The big question would be though, can we
>>> have a about 10 people turn out at the LUG meeting tommorow as
>>> well or not? 10 people turn out is rather impressive, since
>>> a lot of people don't come to the meetings anymore or rather
>>> rarely, that are still on this list. Its not just, because
>>> quite a few people have moved away from the general, big area
>>> of, Bristol, Bath, and sourunding areas. Yes our LUG may be
>>> mostly social chat now for the meetings, rather than helping
>>> people with basic to advanced support issues, but thats
>>> since Desktop Linux is generally much easier to use now for
>>> most distros, than it used to be, and its been like that for
>>> many years now.. I been to the LUG meetings since I think it
>>> was April 2012 I think last month was the biggest turn out
>>> of people that have ever had it in that time, whilst I have
>>> been there, or if not for quite a while.
>>> I would like to meet some of the people who used to come to
>>> the LUG meetings a lot this Saturday ideally, but I think to
>>> keep the in person side of this LUG nicely alive, with good
>>> turn outs of people for most LUG meetings etc, its good now to
>>> do things at times that will hopefuly bring new people into
>>> them, such as events. Next year 2017 should have three events
>>> it seems, two Linux Presentaiton Day events, and one bigger
>>> event organised by someone else as well it seems, with public
>>> speaking even. Which would be quite impressive right?
>>>
>>> Tommorow is the Christmas meeting at the Knight's Templar
>>> hence a week earlier than usual as well, we should be sitting
>>> at the table in the left hand side corner by the plugs at the
>>> back of the pub on the lower level as usuaul, or near there
>>> instead if someone else not us is already there. The first
>>> one of us will probably arrive at about 2pm, but for anyone
>>> who may be new that might be coming tommorow I would suggest
>>> not turning up untill 2:30pm by the earliest, or may be there
>>> on own. As usaul I hope to meet new people at the LUG
>>> meeting, and I probably won't be there untill about 3pm
>>> myself, and then laving late about 6pm/7pm. What about other
>>> people who are intending on coming tommorow? We can eat
>>> Christmas dinner there tommorow as well, already had some last
>>> month, but will again ;). Also I been wondering about Samir
>>> and what plan he actusally booked for FOSDEM, and if our newer
>>> person from the event, who is hopefuly on this list now, is
>>> intending on coming still or not as well.
>>>
>>> Anyone got some USB's to bring along tommorow? Yes Linux
>>> Live USB's! Ideally of more fun distros to so not just common
>>> things like Fedora and OpenSUSE, and Ubuntu 16.10, but yes
>>> please someone bring those along to. Oh and the USB's I am
>>> after must have support for UEFI. I guess the USB's don't
>>> have to be Linux though. You see I have bought a interesting
>>> mini PC, that was going to crowd fund earlier this the year,
>>> but didn't reallly have the spare money then. The pre
>>> installed Windows 10 didn't last that long on there at all,
>>> more details about that at the LUG meeting tommorow. I had a
>>> USB stick with Ubuntu 16.04 on it, so put that on. Ubuntu
>>> 16.04 mostly works on it, altough with some hardware issues,
>>> because of how the device was only really intended to be made
>>> for Windows 10, but considering that and how much still just
>>> works, that's quite good really. For a few things can
>>> probably fix onself though. More details tommorow at the LUG
>>> meeting.
>>>
>>>2016 Regards
>>>
>>>Sebastian
>>>
>>>
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>>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 23:55:41 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: [bristol] Event Organisers and Helpers Wanted for LPD 2017.1
Message-ID: <c9127f59-8eaf-4a8e-8e46-9ce9b0453af7@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi

As mentioned to this mailiing list before the plan is to have another two
events next year in Bristol for Linux Presentation Day (
http://linux-presentation-day.org http://linux-presentation-day.org.uk ).
I have one confirmed other organiser so far, or so it seems, but not sure
about anyone else, and if you would like to help organise or just on the
day or mostly, etc, and in what kind of ways you would like to help with
the event as well. Please get back to me properly on list or off list, as
soon as possible, if you are interested. Then we may even have a
organisers/helpers meeting next month before the LUG meeting even, with the
event itself in late April probably on the 29th. Please read previous
email from last week to this mailing list for more general event
information. Our mailing list also gets archieved.

Best Regards

Sebastian

P.S

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 09:52:51 +0000
From: David Smith <David.Smith@imgtec.com>
To: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
Message-ID:
<15A9D35B5490FC49AC0524AE3A085F082FCB58E9@HHMAIL01.hh.imgtec.org>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bristol [mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Sebastian via Bristol
> If going to Brussels or Geneva or some where like that and via car, then
> surely its better really to go all the way via car, and the Eurostar or ferryr?

No, unless you're taking a car-load of stuff with you. There's no way a car can compete with a 300 kph TGV...

Plus, if you drive all the way you end up knackered at the end, and there's the safety aspects to consider.

And, given that I was going on business, I'd like to see my boss' face when I put in a mileage expenses claim for 1500 miles at 45p/mile... :)

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5. Re: FOSDEM 2017 (Richard Wall)
6. Re: FOSDEM 2017 (Sebastian)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:17:10 +0000
From: Richard Wall <richard@the-moon.net>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Cc: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>, Samir Benmendil <me@rmz.io>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
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On 2 December 2016 at 20:02, Sebastian via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
...
> Someone new from Octobers event who turned up at the last LUG
> meeting, it seems is interested in gong to Brussels for FODEM as well, plus
> possibly one more guy it seems. I intend to stay untill the Monday evening,
> so the day after the event, and would then like to go back with someone or
> more ideally as well.

Hey Sebastian and Samir,

Sorry I didn't reply sooner.

I'm about to book the following flights:

Bristol (BRS)
Thu 2 February, 2017, 06:05
Brussels (BRU)
Thu 2 February, 2017, 08:20
Brussels Airlines
SN2060

Brussels (BRU)
Mon 6 February, 2017, 09:50
Bristol (BRS)
Mon 6 February, 2017, 10:05
Brussels Airlines
SN2055

Just wanted to check whether you two are still going on Thursday and
returning on Monday.

Happy to share a hotel room if that suits either of you otherwise I'll
book something separately.

-RichardW - The new guy with a Fedora Thinkpad :-)

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:29:54 +0000
From: David Smith <David.Smith@imgtec.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bristol [mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Richard Wall via Bristol
> I'm about to book the following flights:
>
> Bristol (BRS)
> Thu 2 February, 2017, 06:05
> Brussels (BRU)
> Thu 2 February, 2017, 08:20
> Brussels Airlines
> SN2060
>
> Brussels (BRU)
> Mon 6 February, 2017, 09:50
> Bristol (BRS)
> Mon 6 February, 2017, 10:05
> Brussels Airlines
> SN2055

Just out of interest...

Did you look at going on Eurostar? I often find it's significantly cheaper than flying. I used to go out to Grenoble by train and there wasn't a huge difference in journey time (once you consider getting to/from the airport at both ends and the waiting time in the airports). You can buy a through-ticket from any UK station nowadays.

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:48:49 +0000
From: Richard Wall <richard@the-moon.net>
To: David Smith <David.Smith@imgtec.com>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
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On 21 December 2016 at 12:29, David Smith via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Just out of interest...
> Did you look at going on Eurostar? I often find it's significantly cheaper than flying. I used to go out to Grenoble by train and there wasn't a huge difference in journey time (once you consider getting to/from the airport at both ends and the waiting time in the airports). You can buy a through-ticket from any UK station nowadays.

Huh, I hadn't considered it but you're right it's about £30 cheaper
once you factor in the Bristol airport bus.
But it also takes 5+h vs ~2h by bus+plane.
And the flight is direct, so no risk of missed connections etc.

I'll think about it.

-RichardW.

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:21:40 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Richard Wall <richard@the-moon.net>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Cc: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Samir Benmendil <me@rmz.io>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
Message-ID: <79ef4c0c-75e2-43cd-b576-50911de366bc@gmx.com>
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Hi

Just seen this, and not sure who you are. If your the guy who came to the
event in October and the LUG in November, ok I got an idea. If someone else
I am not sure.

Hopefully you haven't booked anything yet, Samir and me are flying out on
the Thursday on the 17:30pm 5:30pm flight. He will be staying on the
continent for longer, to visit family etc, but I am going back on the 21:20
9:20pm (or about), flight on the Monday., the last flight back of the day
As for hotel, I'll probably stay where I have stayed the last five years,
plus they do a paid extra for air port transfer, where they wait at the
air port, and take back as well. Want to join me in the same hotel?
However with own rooms. Samir will be staying somewere else.

Thought there may have been a flight times issue a bit possibly, with three
there and back on those days.

Regards

Sebastian

On Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:17:10 GMT, Richard Wall
<richard@the-moon.net> wrote:
> On 2 December 2016 at 20:02, Sebastian via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> ...
>> Someone new from Octobers event who turned up at the last LUG
>> meeting, it seems is interested in gong to Brussels for FODEM
>> as well, plus
>> possibly one more guy it seems. I intend to stay untill the
>> Monday evening,
>> so the day after the event, and would then like to go back
>> with someone or
>> more ideally as well.
>
> Hey Sebastian and Samir,
>
> Sorry I didn't reply sooner.
>
> I'm about to book the following flights:
>
> Bristol (BRS)
> Thu 2 February, 2017, 06:05
> Brussels (BRU)
> Thu 2 February, 2017, 08:20
> Brussels Airlines
> SN2060
>
> Brussels (BRU)
> Mon 6 February, 2017, 09:50
> Bristol (BRS)
> Mon 6 February, 2017, 10:05
> Brussels Airlines
> SN2055
>
> Just wanted to check whether you two are still going on Thursday and
> returning on Monday.
>
> Happy to share a hotel room if that suits either of you otherwise I'll
> book something separately.
>
> -RichardW - The new guy with a Fedora Thinkpad :-)
>

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:31:01 +0000
From: Richard Wall <richard@the-moon.net>
To: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Cc: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Samir Benmendil <me@rmz.io>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
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<CABefbUotNT5fOvjZJR77DUbmow78Ca7=ihR32ih=Bw2OG13Zfw@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

On 21 December 2016 at 13:21, Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com> wrote:
> Just seen this, and not sure who you are. If your the guy who came to the
> event in October and the LUG in November, ok I got an idea. If someone else
> I am not sure.

Yep, that's me :-)

> Hopefully you haven't booked anything yet, Samir and me are flying out on
> the Thursday on the 17:30pm 5:30pm flight.

Ok. I don't think there are any remaining cheap seats at that time so
I'll have to meet up with you there.

Looking forward to it though!

-RichardW.

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:35:08 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
<sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
Message-ID: <311e23f7-97cf-499e-a687-6fcba1c17587@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

HI

The Eurostar is cheaper, and not the first time people have been like, from
the UK, your going to Brussels why not on the Eurostar. However here's how
I see it, we are down here in this area, so to go by Eurostar first you
got to get to London, well actually past London, Dover? That's over two
hours travelling already! With a plane can leave at a nicer time for a
later flight, and waiting around a bit in less busy airports such as
Bristol, doesn't bother me at all, usually better not on own though.
Flying from Brussels from down here only takes about an hour and ten
minutes, only about 45 minutes from Heathrow as well (done that before as
well), way quicker to fly. With a train may have to wait around in train
stations as well, or for trains that are delayed, etc. Plus it's eaiser
to travel with an extra bag via planes, since that's one of the first
things that is done, getting rid of that extra bag :).

Regards

Sebastian

On Wednesday, 21 December 2016 12:48:49 GMT, Richard Wall via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> On 21 December 2016 at 12:29, David Smith via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>> Just out of interest...
>> Did you look at going on Eurostar? I often find it's
>> significantly cheaper than flying. I used to go out to
>> Grenoble by train and there wasn't a huge difference in journey
>> time (once you consider getting to/from the airport at both
>> ends and the waiting time in the airports). You can buy a
>> through-ticket from any UK station nowadays.
>
>
> Huh, I hadn't considered it but you're right it's about £30 cheaper
> once you factor in the Bristol airport bus.
> But it also takes 5+h vs ~2h by bus+plane.
> And the flight is direct, so no risk of missed connections etc.
>
> I'll think about it.
>
> -RichardW.
>

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 13:45:43 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: Richard Wall <richard@the-moon.net>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Cc: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Samir Benmendil <me@rmz.io>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
Message-ID: <cdfbad77-8a2a-40bb-8d68-30c9d891d15f@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Yes planes aren't that cheap now and I didn't book early enough as well, a
return will be like 268 pounds now. Can still stay in the same hotel if
you want though? Also you going to stay tilll Monday evening? You could
meet us there on Thursday evening if going a bit earlier I expect. It's
good being there early about 5 6pm on the Friday if going for the beer
event as well, since it gets majorly packed inside and outside up to the
road.

On Wednesday, 21 December 2016 13:31:01 GMT, Richard Wall
<richard@the-moon.net> wrote:
> On 21 December 2016 at 13:21, Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com> wrote:
>> Just seen this, and not sure who you are. If your the guy who came to the
>> event in October and the LUG in November, ok I got an idea. If
>> someone else
>> I am not sure.
>
> Yep, that's me :-)
>
>> Hopefully you haven't booked anything yet, Samir and me are flying out on
>> the Thursday on the 17:30pm 5:30pm flight.
>
> Ok. I don't think there are any remaining cheap seats at that time so
> I'll have to meet up with you there.
>
> Looking forward to it though!
>
> -RichardW.
>

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