Rabu, 30 November 2016

Bristol Digest, Vol 671, Issue 3

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Apache local server (Pi motion) (David Fear)


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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 18:42:36 +0000
From: David Fear <david@dfear.co.uk>
To: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>, Bristol and Bath
Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Apache local server (Pi motion)
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On 29/11/16 10:24, Peter Hemmings via Bristol wrote:
> Update
>
> The reason why I could not find an option in the motion.conf file was
> because it has changed and been renamed!
>
> FWIW The obsolete files are at the bottom of this page:
>
> http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/ConfigFileOptions
>
> I still cannot stream with "webcontrol_localhost off" but motion is
> working with a logitech webcam, spewing lots of pictures into a folder
> when there is movement.
>
> When I browse localhost on the pi or my pi's IP from another PC I get
> the apache2 default page so apache is on and working.
>
> I have a "motion" group for the config file and user pi is a member, but
> I assumed running motion would have enabled apache to stream the video
> by configuring what was in /var/www/.
>
> How does apache get configured to serve an output video stream from a
> camera, should this have been configured automagically when motion was
> installed or did I miss something?
>
> I only have "index.html" in /var/www/html/ so I assume that's why its
> not seeing the stream!!
>
>
> Regards
>
Hi

If all you want to run on the PI is motion then you might to consider
installing motioneyeos. it runs on a PI, has motion preinstalled and
"configured"; and has a web interface too.


motioneyeos:
https://github.com/ccrisan/motioneyeos/wiki

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Selasa, 29 November 2016

Bristol Digest, Vol 671, Issue 2

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1. Re: Apache local server (Pi motion) (Peter Hemmings)


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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 10:24:04 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Apache local server (Pi motion)
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Update

The reason why I could not find an option in the motion.conf file was
because it has changed and been renamed!

FWIW The obsolete files are at the bottom of this page:

http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/ConfigFileOptions

I still cannot stream with "webcontrol_localhost off" but motion is
working with a logitech webcam, spewing lots of pictures into a folder
when there is movement.

When I browse localhost on the pi or my pi's IP from another PC I get
the apache2 default page so apache is on and working.

I have a "motion" group for the config file and user pi is a member,
but I assumed running motion would have enabled apache to stream the
video by configuring what was in /var/www/.

How does apache get configured to serve an output video stream from a
camera, should this have been configured automagically when motion was
installed or did I miss something?

I only have "index.html" in /var/www/html/ so I assume that's why its
not seeing the stream!!


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Senin, 28 November 2016

Bristol Digest, Vol 671, Issue 1

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Today's Topics:

1. Free raspberry pi DAC (especially for Richard). black Friday
deal still on!!!!! (David Fear)
2. Free printer (Mark Griffin)


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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:45:40 +0000
From: David Fear <david@dfear.co.uk>
To: Bristol & Bath lug <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Free raspberry pi DAC (especially for Richard).
black Friday deal still on!!!!!
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Hi

I was talking to Richard at the LUG yesterday, who expressed an interest
in raspberry pi stuff.


I told him that I had ordered a Raspberry Pi DAC from IQAudio on a black
friday deal.


Well, the deal still seems to be on, so get one quick!!!!!

Details of DAC:
http://www.iqaudio.co.uk/pi-audio/38-pi-daczero.html


Instructions:

1) Register on their site.
2) sign in to their site.
3) add any item to the cart.
4) go to checkout and add the following voucher code: FreeDACZero

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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 21:56:03 +0000
From: Mark Griffin <marc.gray@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Free printer
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Good evening,

I have a Dell B1160, mono laser printer. Barely used. Works perfectly in
Linux - Dell even provide drivers if you fancy.

Collection from Emersons Green, just off the ring road.

It's a great little printer. I bought a bells-and-whistles device to barely
use instead.

Message me off-list if you'd like it.

Regards,
Mark
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Bristol Digest, Vol 670, Issue 6

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1. Re: OpenSUSE Tablet and... (Chris)


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Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 10:39:21 +0000
From: Chris <cshorler@googlemail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] OpenSUSE Tablet and...
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On 25 November 2016 10:29:32 GMT+00:00, Sebastian via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>Hi
>
>Could this be the tablet for Chris Horler?
>http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MJ-OpenSUSE-Tablet
>https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/first-true-linux-x86-and-x64-tablet#/
>
>Yes an OpenSUSE tablet! I haven't mett Chris H at the LUG or
>otherwise,
>for quite a few months or more now it seems. Chris if you end up
>reading
>this, what happended to you by the way?
>
>So yeah I found out abut that Crowd Funding Campaigin on Tuesday,
>being
>crowd funded by a company that tried to crowd fund a Ubuntu tablet
>similar
>to that, but with that campaigin not really working out. Also it's
>called
>a tablet sure, but really the particular device seems to be more like a
>lap
>top, and it could even dual boot with WIndows 10. I assume can put
>other
>distros on it as well. Pretty nice specs as well aye? Yes that's not
>ARM,
>so more like a lap top as I put. Awesome the deault interface in the
>OpenSUSE that if it gets funded will come with, is GNOME 3 not KDE :)!
>
>Yeah well even though GNOME would say how it wasn't made for touch
>screen's, in my experience GNOME Shell does work rather well indeed on
>touch screens :), so makes sense to have that on that OpenSUSE device
>by
>default I guess.
>
>Why oh why, does their have to be something to possibly crowd fund,
>when
>don't want to crowd fund anything, especially expensive things? I am
>however interested myself in the openSUSE device, for a few reasons, so
>
>will probably end up funding that to be honest, and yes the more
>expensive
>higher speced version it seems. Plus I got this to crowd fund it
>seems,
>when the campain for that is started etc:
>http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/11/station-dock-ubuntu-phone-ubports
>That's a good thing in the video explaining about that, and yes the
>idea is
>to be able to use that with Android as well, and even Jolla's
>SaliishOS if
>they make drivers. Or even iPhone and Windows phone maybe even, if yep
>
>they made drivers.
>
>Regards
>
>Sebastian
>
>
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I suppose I have been a bit quiet for a while!

Not the tablet / device for me, read the debate in the Phoronix comments. The picture is too clouded - in terms of company history and what they have / haven't done.

As it stands I have no plans this afternoon, I may come for a pint at the Knights Templar.


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Bristol Digest, Vol 670, Issue 5

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: likely RiseUp.net server gag order (Y Martin)
2. Fwd: NEWS: Buy on-line and receive a free IQaudIO DAC (David Fear)


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Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 14:44:14 +0000
From: Y Martin <ym2016@riseup.net>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] likely RiseUp.net server gag order
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Since my last email, Riseup have made some tweets and my opinion has
shifted. I think it is important to note that a gagging order is
different from having compromised servers. I think that it does make
sense that RiseUp have been issued a gagging order, which is why they
havent refuted this. A gag order doesnt mean that their servers are
compromised, but suggests that there is a pending legal process. eg. "an
attached gag order.. restricts the recipient from ever saying anything
about being served with one" [1].

However, that legal process may end in an order to hand over their
servers. On 21/11/16, Riseup quoted their own FAQ [2] in tweeting:
"we would rather pull the plug than submit to repressive surveillance by
any government" [3].

I think that at the time, this tweet out of the blue was quite confusing
for many people. However, given the tweet yesterday
(24/11/16) that "Our systems are fully under our control"[4], in the
context of a gagging order, this makes much more sense. I believe they
still have control of their servers but are subject to a gagging order.

In conclusion, I dont think riseup's servers are necessarily compromised
as a result of recent events, but I would recommend anyone using their
services to backup any data (eg emails) and until Riseup do as they have
promised and "provide additional information at a later date"[5]. I
would, however, consider it a current heightened risk that RiseUp may
pull the plug on their services should they lose any current legal
action being taken against them.

Yousef


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_order#United_States
[2] https://twitter.com/riseupnet
[3]
https://riseup.net/en/about-us/policy/government-faq#will-riseup-services-last-forever
[4] https://twitter.com/riseupnet
[5] https://twitter.com/riseupnet


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [bristol] likely RiseUp.net server gag order
From: Philip Hudson via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
To: Y Martin <ym2016@riseup.net>, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Date: 24/11/16 13:54

> On 24 November 2016 at 11:50, Y Martin via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>> To those of you that use RiseUp services (eg. me), I just wanted to let
>> you know that it is looking very likely that the riseup servers have
>> been issued a gag order and should be considered compromised.
>>
>> The Riseup Canary has died/expired/not been renewed:
>> https://riseup.net/en/canary and there is other suspicious activity/lack
>> of activity which is being widely discussed on the internet without
>> Riseup making any response to such discussions.
>
> Damn. Why do I only hear about things like RiseUp when it's too late?
> That looks like it was excellent. Thanks anyway Yousef.
>
> Copying this to the Open Rights Group.
>


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Subject: [bristol] Fwd: NEWS: Buy on-line and receive a free IQaudIO
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1. Re: LUG Meeting tomorrow (Peter Hemmings)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 10:55:43 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: Mark Griffin <marc.gray@gmail.com>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] LUG Meeting tomorrow
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On 25/11/16 10:44, Mark Griffin via Bristol wrote:
> The http://bristol.lug.org.uk/ site always lists the December meet a week
> early.

OK, so I did not make a decision and the internet made it for me!!
(curls up by the fire and goes back to sleep)


>
> By always, I mean assuming I've updated it.
>
> I'm not sure about tomorrow, but I will eventually turn up to more
> meetings... honest!
>
>
>
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: likely RiseUp.net server gag order (Philip Hudson)
2. Re: Listing settings in conf file (Keith Edmunds)
3. Re: Listing settings in conf file (Peter Hemmings)
4. LUG Meeting tomorrow (Peter Hemmings)
5. Re: LUG Meeting tomorrow (mark chard)
6. Re: LUG Meeting tomorrow (Sebastian)
7. OpenSUSE Tablet and... (Sebastian)
8. Re: LUG Meeting tomorrow (Mark Griffin)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 13:54:08 +0000
From: Philip Hudson <phil.hudson@iname.com>
To: Y Martin <ym2016@riseup.net>, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Cc: Open Rights Group open discussion list
<org-discuss@lists.openrightsgroup.org>
Subject: Re: [bristol] likely RiseUp.net server gag order
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On 24 November 2016 at 11:50, Y Martin via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> To those of you that use RiseUp services (eg. me), I just wanted to let
> you know that it is looking very likely that the riseup servers have
> been issued a gag order and should be considered compromised.
>
> The Riseup Canary has died/expired/not been renewed:
> https://riseup.net/en/canary and there is other suspicious activity/lack
> of activity which is being widely discussed on the internet without
> Riseup making any response to such discussions.

Damn. Why do I only hear about things like RiseUp when it's too late?
That looks like it was excellent. Thanks anyway Yousef.

Copying this to the Open Rights Group.

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Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) ID: 0x887DCA63

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 18:44:38 +0000
From: Keith Edmunds <kae@midnighthax.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Listing settings in conf file
Message-ID: <20161124184438.3deb8955@ws.midnighthax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:35:44 +0000, bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk said:

> I have a motion.conf file and its quite long, so just wanted to show
> what the actual settings settings

This from my Technical Tips mailing list: maybe it's helpful?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lots of Linux configuration files are peppered with comments. Mostly
that's helpful, but sometimes we just want to see what the configuration
settings are.

Stripping out the comments could be done with a short shell script:

#!/bin/bash

FILE=$1
grep -v ^$ $FILE|grep -v ^[[:space:]]*#|grep -v ^\;

That strips out lines that:

- are blank
- start with a hash (#), possibly preceded by one or more spaces
- start with a semicolon (;)

But it isn't perfect: it invokes grep three times, and it can't process
input from standard input, so it can't be fed via the pipe (|) character.

I use this version, saved as /usr/local/bin/decomment and made executable:

#!/bin/bash

[ $# -ge 1 -a -f "$1" ] && INPUT="$1" || INPUT="-"
egrep -v '^($|[[:space:]]*#|\;)' $INPUT

Here it is in action:

$ cat test.conf
# Sample configuration file
# my_param = 1
my_param = 2
verbose = 1

$ decomment test.conf
my_param = 2
verbose = 1

$ grep param test.conf
# my_param = 1
my_param = 2

$ grep param test.conf | decomment
my_param = 2

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:15:47 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: Keith Edmunds <kae@midnighthax.com>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Listing settings in conf file
Message-ID: <0d927bf3-9d5e-bb41-4117-110616a33e8f@virginmedia.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Thanks for all the scripts, if I get the time I will try and learn a bit
of bash!

I though I used just a standard command but must have been wrong as I
don't remember using a made up script.
I think it was a script in a program that allowed the selected
parameters to be easily read (not sure what program it was!).


On 24/11/16 18:44, Keith Edmunds via Bristol wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:35:44 +0000, bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk said:
>
>> I have a motion.conf file and its quite long, so just wanted to show
>> what the actual settings settings
>
> This from my Technical Tips mailing list: maybe it's helpful?
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Lots of Linux configuration files are peppered with comments. Mostly
> that's helpful, but sometimes we just want to see what the configuration
> settings are.
>
> Stripping out the comments could be done with a short shell script:
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> FILE=$1
> grep -v ^$ $FILE|grep -v ^[[:space:]]*#|grep -v ^\;
>
> That strips out lines that:
>
> - are blank
> - start with a hash (#), possibly preceded by one or more spaces
> - start with a semicolon (;)
>
> But it isn't perfect: it invokes grep three times, and it can't process
> input from standard input, so it can't be fed via the pipe (|) character.
>
> I use this version, saved as /usr/local/bin/decomment and made executable:
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> [ $# -ge 1 -a -f "$1" ] && INPUT="$1" || INPUT="-"
> egrep -v '^($|[[:space:]]*#|\;)' $INPUT
>
> Here it is in action:
>
> $ cat test.conf
> # Sample configuration file
> # my_param = 1
> my_param = 2
> verbose = 1
>
> $ decomment test.conf
> my_param = 2
> verbose = 1
>
> $ grep param test.conf
> # my_param = 1
> my_param = 2
>
> $ grep param test.conf | decomment
> my_param = 2
>

Regards

--
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:31:10 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] LUG Meeting tomorrow
Message-ID: <0a272059-c536-e1ea-d6b4-3603507737e7@virginmedia.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi,

Just a reminder for tomorrow at the Knights Templer near Temple Meads
Station.

I intend to be there about 2pm but hope I am not alone.

The next one is Christmas Eve - so unless there are many who intend
visiting Bristol on that day!, a week earlier on the 17th December.

Ooopps ..... I think I made a decision!

Regards
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:46:05 +0000
From: mark chard <machard.1984@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>,
Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] LUG Meeting tomorrow
Message-ID:
<CAA7DJ2=33rg0+ZEA_WfvFvN0+D79CP_M2Q5MWfgMUzG6MZkVXA@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Steady on Peter...

On 25 Nov 2016 9:31 am, "Peter Hemmings via Bristol" <
bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just a reminder for tomorrow at the Knights Templer near Temple Meads
> Station.
>
> I intend to be there about 2pm but hope I am not alone.
>
> The next one is Christmas Eve - so unless there are many who intend
> visiting Bristol on that day!, a week earlier on the 17th December.
>
> Ooopps ..... I think I made a decision!
>
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Peter H
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 09:58:13 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] LUG Meeting tomorrow
Message-ID: <e20e5ccb-0570-4423-ad1e-4949e79656c1@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi

Replying below:

On Friday, 25 November 2016 09:31:10 GMT, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just a reminder for tomorrow at the Knights Templer near Temple Meads
> Station.
>
> I intend to be there about 2pm but hope I am not alone.
>
> The next one is Christmas Eve - so unless there are many who intend
> visiting Bristol on that day!, a week earlier on the 17th December.
>
> Ooopps ..... I think I made a decision!
>
>
>
> Regards

Yes was going to email today about the LUG meeting. I expect to be there
about 2:30 to 3pm. I'll leave late probably about 6pm to 6:30pm or so.
I hope a few visitors to last months Linux Presentation Day event wil also
be there, as well as anyone new in general, and hopefully quite a few of
our usual regulars etc as wel. A turn out of over 10 people would be
impressive!

So why not come along if you are going to be around in the general big
area, for a chat, and some Christmas Dinner at the Knight's Templar pub
even? I was there already at that pub last Saturday for a bit, because of
something else, and yes the Christmas Dinner menu was looking good, even
for vegetarian :). Oh that could be two Christmas Meals at the Knights
Templar, if meeting up next mont as well on the 3rd week, for new people
see below for more details about that. Oh and anyone else got any
potentially interesting gadgets/tech devices, to show other than me?

For new people: We usually sit at the back of the pub when entering it on
the lower level, in the left hand side corner with the plugs, or near there
instead if someone else not us, is already there. I would also not sugget
turning up untill about 2:30pm by the earlist if new, or indeed you may be
there on your own. Also we never actually have a LUG meeting at
Christmas, but the usual date seem to always crash with it, hence havng it
the week beore instead, the 3rd week of December instead of the 4th.

Best Regards

Sebastian


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 10:29:32 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: [bristol] OpenSUSE Tablet and...
Message-ID: <5549b0fe-60ab-4fff-b601-33dcbe78416e@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi

Could this be the tablet for Chris Horler?
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MJ-OpenSUSE-Tablet
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/first-true-linux-x86-and-x64-tablet#/
Yes an OpenSUSE tablet! I haven't mett Chris H at the LUG or otherwise,
for quite a few months or more now it seems. Chris if you end up reading
this, what happended to you by the way?

So yeah I found out abut that Crowd Funding Campaigin on Tuesday, being
crowd funded by a company that tried to crowd fund a Ubuntu tablet similar
to that, but with that campaigin not really working out. Also it's called
a tablet sure, but really the particular device seems to be more like a lap
top, and it could even dual boot with WIndows 10. I assume can put other
distros on it as well. Pretty nice specs as well aye? Yes that's not ARM,
so more like a lap top as I put. Awesome the deault interface in the
OpenSUSE that if it gets funded will come with, is GNOME 3 not KDE :)!
Yeah well even though GNOME would say how it wasn't made for touch
screen's, in my experience GNOME Shell does work rather well indeed on
touch screens :), so makes sense to have that on that OpenSUSE device by
default I guess.

Why oh why, does their have to be something to possibly crowd fund, when
don't want to crowd fund anything, especially expensive things? I am
however interested myself in the openSUSE device, for a few reasons, so
will probably end up funding that to be honest, and yes the more expensive
higher speced version it seems. Plus I got this to crowd fund it seems,
when the campain for that is started etc:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/11/station-dock-ubuntu-phone-ubports
That's a good thing in the video explaining about that, and yes the idea is
to be able to use that with Android as well, and even Jolla's SaliishOS if
they make drivers. Or even iPhone and Windows phone maybe even, if yep
they made drivers.

Regards

Sebastian


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 10:44:04 +0000
From: Mark Griffin <marc.gray@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] LUG Meeting tomorrow
Message-ID:
<CAPorv7V-rFOZJk47Fo5s1B3pT5AA+nXMGkcs=2bXuq_BXzPw+A@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

The http://bristol.lug.org.uk/ site always lists the December meet a week
early.

By always, I mean assuming I've updated it.

I'm not sure about tomorrow, but I will eventually turn up to more
meetings... honest!
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:38:10 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: Chris Boot <bootc@bootc.net>, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Debian package woes
Message-ID: <164E6698-AB9F-4B12-BEF0-27EF88C93889@it-helps.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Sussed it – I had an underscore which should have been a hyphen somewhere…….


On 24/11/2016, 10:54, "Chris Boot" <bootc@bootc.net> wrote:

Hi Martin,

I'm speaking as a Debian Developer here...

Packages in the official Debian archive generally don't ship files that
go into /var. This rule is broken by a a few packages, but even then
it's preferred that only empty directories or symlinks are placed in
/var. It's often better to populate things into /var from maintainer
scripts (e.g. postinst), which can work out whether or not to clobber
user data in /var based on various conditions.

Clearly, if this package isn't going into the archive, you can do
whatever you like.

Given the output of your package's file listing, I suspect the /var data
just isn't making it into the package in the first place. How is the
package being built? There are many ways to build .deb packages, and
it'll be down to these tools what or how files get into your package.

Cheers,
Chris

On 23/11/16 18:51, Martin Moore via Bristol wrote:
> No, not official, one of our own.
>
> Things in the tree as well.
>
> Not binaries, it's web stuff.
>
> One other thing I noticed is that it's not even creating the dirs. in the Makefile – as if it's ignoring the Makefile
>
> I did unpack the .deb file and it only has reference to the usr tree:
>
> .
> ├── bin
> ├── sbin
> └── share
> └── doc
> └── mypkg-demo-asv3
> ├── changelog.Debian.gz
> ├── copyright
> └── README.Debian
>
>
>
>
>
> On 23/11/2016, 17:33, "Bristol on behalf of Martin via Bristol" <bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk on behalf of bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2016-11-23 at 16:43 +0000, Martin Moore via Bristol wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've got a Deb package
>
> When you say "got" do you mean, from the official repositories, you
> built, you found on the Internet somewhere?
>
> > but for some reason it only has the /usr tree in it.
>
> The whole /usr/ tree or things in it.
>
> > Should also have /var (which is where all the useful stuff is.....)
>
> Ummmm... depends on what you mean by useful. Binaries shouldn't be
> in /var/
>
> > I have plenty of similar packages and this one is (AFAICS) setup the same.
> >
> > Anything obvious to check?
>
> What do you want to check it for? Integrity? IIRC deb packages have a
> list of files and checksum that they contain and ... debsums? can check
> this? Or maybe it only checks them when installed.
>
> Cheers,
> - Martin
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:44:48 +0000
From: David Smith <David.Smith@imgtec.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Listing settings in conf file
Message-ID:
<15A9D35B5490FC49AC0524AE3A085F082FCB3262@HHMAIL01.hh.imgtec.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

> From: Peter Hemmings [mailto:peternsomerset@virginmedia.com]
> I have a motion.conf file and its quite long, so just wanted to show what the
> actual settings settings I had set and not go through the whole file searching
> through it.
Perhaps it was just a grep for lines that are not comments?

egrep -v "^#" <filename>

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:50:01 +0000
From: Y Martin <ym2016@riseup.net>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] likely RiseUp.net server gag order
Message-ID: <37d77034-2d0e-d1ff-60a1-3b26a3828c3a@riseup.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hi all,

To those of you that use RiseUp services (eg. me), I just wanted to let
you know that it is looking very likely that the riseup servers have
been issued a gag order and should be considered compromised.

The Riseup Canary has died/expired/not been renewed:
https://riseup.net/en/canary and there is other suspicious activity/lack
of activity which is being widely discussed on the internet without
Riseup making any response to such discussions.

Regards,

Yousef

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5. Re: Package archive? (Martin Moore)
6. Re: Debian package woes (Chris Boot)
7. Listing settings in conf file (Peter Hemmings)
8. Re: Listing settings in conf file (David Smith)
9. Re: Listing settings in conf file (Peter Hemmings)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 16:43:35 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Debian package woes
Message-ID: <2c6001d245a8$bbbd8df0$3338a9d0$@co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi all,

I've got a Deb package but for some reason it only has the /usr tree in it.
Should also have /var (which is where all the useful stuff is.....)

I have plenty of similar packages and this one is (AFAICS) setup the same.

Anything obvious to check?

Cheers,

Martin.


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 17:33:55 +0000
From: Martin <inkubus@interalpha.co.uk>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Debian package woes
Message-ID: <1479922435.18159.141.camel@interalpha.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

On Wed, 2016-11-23 at 16:43 +0000, Martin Moore via Bristol wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've got a Deb package

When you say "got" do you mean, from the official repositories, you
built, you found on the Internet somewhere?

> but for some reason it only has the /usr tree in it.

The whole /usr/ tree or things in it.

> Should also have /var (which is where all the useful stuff is.....)

Ummmm... depends on what you mean by useful. Binaries shouldn't be
in /var/

> I have plenty of similar packages and this one is (AFAICS) setup the same.
>
> Anything obvious to check?

What do you want to check it for? Integrity? IIRC deb packages have a
list of files and checksum that they contain and ... debsums? can check
this? Or maybe it only checks them when installed.

Cheers,
- Martin

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 18:51:52 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: Martin <inkubus@interalpha.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Debian package woes
Message-ID: <F4DB06DC-18B4-4A66-B363-EF1E044C000B@it-helps.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

No, not official, one of our own.

Things in the tree as well.

Not binaries, it's web stuff.

One other thing I noticed is that it's not even creating the dirs. in the Makefile – as if it's ignoring the Makefile

I did unpack the .deb file and it only has reference to the usr tree:

.
├── bin
├── sbin
└── share
└── doc
└── mypkg-demo-asv3
├── changelog.Debian.gz
├── copyright
└── README.Debian

On 23/11/2016, 17:33, "Bristol on behalf of Martin via Bristol" <bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk on behalf of bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:

On Wed, 2016-11-23 at 16:43 +0000, Martin Moore via Bristol wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've got a Deb package

When you say "got" do you mean, from the official repositories, you
built, you found on the Internet somewhere?

> but for some reason it only has the /usr tree in it.

The whole /usr/ tree or things in it.

> Should also have /var (which is where all the useful stuff is.....)

Ummmm... depends on what you mean by useful. Binaries shouldn't be
in /var/

> I have plenty of similar packages and this one is (AFAICS) setup the same.
>
> Anything obvious to check?

What do you want to check it for? Integrity? IIRC deb packages have a
list of files and checksum that they contain and ... debsums? can check
this? Or maybe it only checks them when installed.

Cheers,
- Martin



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 20:49:33 +0000
From: Philip Hudson <phil.hudson@iname.com>
To: Bristol and Bath linux Users Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Package archive?
Message-ID:
<CAJ1MqVHbh2MdfYq4j2Jee2YB=nxmDvx2idXNtFX_qwqWuhLMUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I'm looking for an ancient package called "hdconv", for converting
databases created by a proprietary lock-in-oriented mobile app called
HandBase.

hdconv was deleted from *BSD repos about 10 years ago, and the master
site listed there is gone, but I've seen suggestions that it was also
previoulsy included in Linux distros. Is there somewhere I can do a
search for a now-deleted package's source for, say, debian?

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 21:22:27 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: Philip Hudson <phil.hudson@iname.com>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Package archive?
Message-ID: <61E6A3F6-89DA-4BB3-9DF3-6EC7DA8D9139@it-helps.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

You could try http://snapshot.debian.org/


On 23/11/2016, 20:49, "Bristol on behalf of Philip Hudson via Bristol" <bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk on behalf of bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:

I'm looking for an ancient package called "hdconv", for converting
databases created by a proprietary lock-in-oriented mobile app called
HandBase.

hdconv was deleted from *BSD repos about 10 years ago, and the master
site listed there is gone, but I've seen suggestions that it was also
previoulsy included in Linux distros. Is there somewhere I can do a
search for a now-deleted package's source for, say, debian?

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:54:06 +0000
From: Chris Boot <bootc@bootc.net>
To: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Debian package woes
Message-ID: <64ba49b0-bb71-c11f-3d4e-2c1781043918@bootc.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hi Martin,

I'm speaking as a Debian Developer here...

Packages in the official Debian archive generally don't ship files that
go into /var. This rule is broken by a a few packages, but even then
it's preferred that only empty directories or symlinks are placed in
/var. It's often better to populate things into /var from maintainer
scripts (e.g. postinst), which can work out whether or not to clobber
user data in /var based on various conditions.

Clearly, if this package isn't going into the archive, you can do
whatever you like.

Given the output of your package's file listing, I suspect the /var data
just isn't making it into the package in the first place. How is the
package being built? There are many ways to build .deb packages, and
it'll be down to these tools what or how files get into your package.

Cheers,
Chris

On 23/11/16 18:51, Martin Moore via Bristol wrote:
> No, not official, one of our own.
>
> Things in the tree as well.
>
> Not binaries, it's web stuff.
>
> One other thing I noticed is that it's not even creating the dirs. in the Makefile – as if it's ignoring the Makefile
>
> I did unpack the .deb file and it only has reference to the usr tree:
>
> .
> ├── bin
> ├── sbin
> └── share
> └── doc
> └── mypkg-demo-asv3
> ├── changelog.Debian.gz
> ├── copyright
> └── README.Debian
>
>
>
>
>
> On 23/11/2016, 17:33, "Bristol on behalf of Martin via Bristol" <bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk on behalf of bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2016-11-23 at 16:43 +0000, Martin Moore via Bristol wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've got a Deb package
>
> When you say "got" do you mean, from the official repositories, you
> built, you found on the Internet somewhere?
>
> > but for some reason it only has the /usr tree in it.
>
> The whole /usr/ tree or things in it.
>
> > Should also have /var (which is where all the useful stuff is.....)
>
> Ummmm... depends on what you mean by useful. Binaries shouldn't be
> in /var/
>
> > I have plenty of similar packages and this one is (AFAICS) setup the same.
> >
> > Anything obvious to check?
>
> What do you want to check it for? Integrity? IIRC deb packages have a
> list of files and checksum that they contain and ... debsums? can check
> this? Or maybe it only checks them when installed.
>
> Cheers,
> - Martin
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:08:51 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Listing settings in conf file
Message-ID: <2f702504-9ac5-9ad0-0a22-0c015a380d15@virginmedia.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi,

Just a quick one in your tea break(s)!

A l o n g time ago I was shown how to list a config file settings
without all the info but have forgotten how to do it as I am only a
"dabbler"!

As I cannot seem to find the right terms to "Google" it, could someone
enlighten me?

Thanks

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:28:17 +0000
From: David Smith <David.Smith@imgtec.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Listing settings in conf file
Message-ID:
<15A9D35B5490FC49AC0524AE3A085F082FCB3230@HHMAIL01.hh.imgtec.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

> From: Bristol [mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> Peter Hemmings via Bristol
> A l o n g time ago I was shown how to list a config file settings without all the
> info but have forgotten how to do it as I am only a "dabbler"!
>
> As I cannot seem to find the right terms to "Google" it, could someone
> enlighten me?

Not sure I understand the question. What sort of config file?

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 11:35:44 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: David Smith <David.Smith@imgtec.com>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Listing settings in conf file
Message-ID: <d6bbe006-bf25-b490-830b-5cf5c98386c4@virginmedia.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 24/11/16 11:28, David Smith via Bristol wrote:
>> From: Bristol [mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>> Peter Hemmings via Bristol
>> A l o n g time ago I was shown how to list a config file settings without all the
>> info but have forgotten how to do it as I am only a "dabbler"!
>>
>> As I cannot seem to find the right terms to "Google" it, could someone
>> enlighten me?
>
> Not sure I understand the question. What sort of config file?

I have a motion.conf file and its quite long, so just wanted to show
what the actual settings settings I had set and not go through the whole
file searching through it.

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 13:24:42 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Apache local server
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Update

On 08/11/16 11:21, Peter Hemmings via Bristol wrote:
> I have not yet done anything as I need (just for my satisfaction) to get
> my head around how it all fits together (virtualhosts, hosts,
> permissions etc), I assume WP is OK as I have the website files in the
> correct folder to be served and its working.
>
> I have just found this info which is more applicable as it gives precise
> settings for Apache virtualhosts config on Fedora:
>
> https://linuxconfig.org/configure-apache-virtualhost-on-fedora

Just added the exact virtualhost as per the above link (without logs etc).

It now works! but not sure how it all fits together.

I can open the page from my Android with:

192.168.0.17/index.html

I will review the links and others to try and understand it more.

What it looks like I can do is serve 2 sites from my server! I would
like to leave the new "example.net" page and add the WP site.

ATM I have example.net at /var/www/example.net/index.html and my WP
directory is at /var/www/html/index.php.

At least I can now serve a page on the lan which was the main problem!

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 17:23:56 +0000
From: David Fear <david@dfear.co.uk>
To: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>, Bristol and Bath
Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] WP Local Server "Not Connecting"
Message-ID: <7c50a857-8c46-27d0-5198-1b6f5dda7277@dfear.co.uk>
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On 07/11/16 00:04, Peter Hemmings via Bristol wrote:
> Sorry for not getting back earlier, I will not have too much time to
> look again for a day or so but will stop confusing things and just use
> Android with "Fink" and the laptop.
>
> On 06/11/16 16:59, Martin Moore via Bristol wrote:
>> If I understand your email
>>
>>>> I still cannot connect via Android on Firefox using the IP
>>>> address. It does change in the url box to "localhost" then
>>>> reports "Unable to connect".
>> Seems to imply that the 'server' ip you are entering is the same as
>> your android device. Either that or you have a Host file entry/odd
>> routing setup somewhere. That's the only way that your Android would
>> think that ip is 'localhost'
>>
>
> Just done a quick test with Laptop/Android:
>
> Url "localhost" on laptop brings up the website.
> Found WiFi IP (192.168.0.17) and that brings up website "localhost" OK
>
>
> Used "Fing" on Android and scanned 192.168.0.17.
> It shows 2 services port 80 http and 3306 mysql.
>
> When I try to connect from fing to port 80 via firefox it quickly
> changes to localhost and says "unable to connect"
>
> So I assume I need to configure something on the Android or should it
> just connect as I have a service, assuming its configured correctly on
> the laptop!!?
>
> PS I can ping from fing!!
>
> FYI I am typing this on my pc on wired ethernet at 192.168.0.12 and
> noticed it too has http on 80 and mysql on 3306 (and switches to
> localhost when I try to open the site) so it looks like something I have
> configured wrongly or not changed.
>
> Could WP or mysql wrongly configured still cause this problem even
> though I can see the services running from another device?
>
> I will try again later when I get more time.
>
> Regards
Hi

It seems that apache and/or wordpress is misconfigured.

Try reading these two guides, especially the last line under:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wordpress#Appearance_is_broken_.28no_styling.29


Basic wordpress install guide from Arch Linux wiki:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wordpress

Wordpress install guide for Fedora:
http://www.tecmint.com/install-wordpress-apache-nginx-rhel-centos-fedora/

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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 11:21:29 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: David Fear <david@dfear.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Apache local server (was: WP Local Server "Not
Connecting")
Message-ID: <ae1e3460-d3a5-fd9e-073e-0e5fd2ac8259@virginmedia.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Thanks for the info.

I had been using the last link but have also used a few others that
weren't always applicable to Fedora which made the problem more
difficult to solve.

The good news is I am 90% sure of the main problem (Virtualhost) and my
brain, its loosing the grey stuff quicker by the day!

I could say it was a typo but, every time I saw "VirtualHost" I was
interpreting it as "Virtual" Private Network so assumed I did not need
it and do not have one!!

Sorry

I have not yet done anything as I need (just for my satisfaction) to get
my head around how it all fits together (virtualhosts, hosts,
permissions etc), I assume WP is OK as I have the website files in the
correct folder to be served and its working.

I have just found this info which is more applicable as it gives precise
settings for Apache virtualhosts config on Fedora:

https://linuxconfig.org/configure-apache-virtualhost-on-fedora

I assume I could leave WP as it is and use this guide to make sure it works.

Will have a read and give it a try later today.

On 07/11/16 17:23, David Fear via Bristol wrote:
> Hi
>
> It seems that apache and/or wordpress is misconfigured.
>
> Try reading these two guides, especially the last line under:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wordpress#Appearance_is_broken_.28no_styling.29
>
>
>
> Basic wordpress install guide from Arch Linux wiki:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wordpress
>
> Wordpress install guide for Fedora:
> http://www.tecmint.com/install-wordpress-apache-nginx-rhel-centos-fedora/
>
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3. Re: WP Local Server "Not Connecting" (Peter Hemmings)


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Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 16:23:44 +0000
From: David Fear <david@dfear.co.uk>
To: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>, Bristol and Bath
Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] WP Local Server "Not Connecting"
Message-ID: <1ae7daac-f43e-68ca-3205-3e1f41d14abe@dfear.co.uk>
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On 05/11/16 21:12, Peter Hemmings via Bristol wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just got some time to have another go at seeing the webpage (wordpress
> Site) on local lan.
>
>
> On 30/10/16 11:58, Amias Channer via Bristol wrote:
>> Hello Peter,
>>
>> Are you still running a restrictive local firewall on your laptop ?
>
> I think I tried it with not firewall but not sure!
>
>>
>> A good tool for network diagnosis on android is an app called fing , it
>> scans your network for hosts and let's you scan them for services.
>
> I have now put it on my Android and can see my PC on 192.168.0.19.
>
> I did have a Upnp server (Serviio) running and have now removed it for
> simplicity.
>
> I can see the website on localhost using the PC
> I can ping it via "Fing" on the Android.
> I had SElinux running "enforcing" but with no warnings, set it to
> permissive to rule that out.
> httpd is set to run as apache user and apache group with me (user peter)
> in group apache.
>
> I still cannot connect via Android on Firefox using the IP address.
> It does change in the url box to "localhost" then reports "Unable to
> connect".
>
> What simple thing am I doing wrong! is it on the PC or Android?
>
> Nothing is happening in "httpd access_log20161105" this evening BUT
> there was an android line at 11:30:38 from 192.168.0.13 (my Android IP
> address), there may be a clue there but its a bit beyond my comprehension!:
>
> ::1 - - [05/Nov/2016:11:24:59 +0000] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-"
> "Apache/2.4.23 (Fedora) PHP/5.6.27 (internal dummy connection)"
> 192.168.0.13 - - [05/Nov/2016:11:30:38 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 301 - "-"
> "Mozilla/5.0 (Android 5.1; Mobile; rv:50.0) Gecko/50.0 Firefox/50.0"
> ::1 - - [05/Nov/2016:12:11:38 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 10200 "-"
> "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/49.0"
> ::1 - - [05/Nov/2016:12:11:38 +0000] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 209
> "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/49.0"
> ::1 - - [05/Nov/2016:12:11:38 +0000] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 209
> "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/49.0"
> 192.168.0.19 - - [05/Nov/2016:12:12:39 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 301 - "-"
> "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/49.0"
> ::1 - - [05/Nov/2016:12:12:39 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 10200 "-"
> "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/49.0"
>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Amias
>>
>> On 30 Oct 2016 9:20 a.m., "Peter Hemmings via Bristol" <
>> bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying to set up a demo Wordpress site and have installed LAMP and
>>> made a Wordpress local server but cannot connect to it.
>>>
>>> I can run it via "localhost" and the lan address (192.168.0.17) on my
>>> laptop, but from a smartphone on the lan it just states "not
>>> connecting".
>>>
>>> What have I forgot to do!?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
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> Regards
>
Hi Peter

Just to check: the apache server is running on the laptop?

1) you need to check that the android phone is on the same network as
the laptop and the PC.

2) on your android phone you should use Fing to do both a scan of the
network, and if the your laptop is found then do a service scan on the
laptop.

- Using Fing you should see your router, laptop, PC and android phone.

- Fing: if you found your laptop and have done a service scan, you
should should at least see http on port 80 and mysql on port 3306.

This is the most useful comment:
> I still cannot connect via Android on Firefox using the IP address.
> It does change in the url box to "localhost" then reports "Unable to
> connect"

if wordpress is installed on your laptop, you can't connect to it from
the Desktop (or any other device) using http://localhost/.

Can you connect to the "wordpress" on the laptop, FROM the desktop PC?

If you can't connect to the laptop from the Desktop Pc or your android
phone, then either apache server, mysql or wordpress is misconfigured.

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Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2016 16:59:28 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] WP Local Server "Not Connecting"
Message-ID: <E5DAFCD1-8B48-45EF-A590-CB0C0CA3221B@it-helps.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

If I understand your email

> I still cannot connect via Android on Firefox using the IP address.
> It does change in the url box to "localhost" then reports "Unable to
> connect".

Seems to imply that the 'server' ip you are entering is the same as your android device. Either that or you have a Host file entry/odd routing setup somewhere. That's the only way that your Android would think that ip is 'localhost'


Martin.


On 06/11/2016, 16:23, "Bristol on behalf of David Fear via Bristol" <bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk on behalf of bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:

On 05/11/16 21:12, Peter Hemmings via Bristol wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just got some time to have another go at seeing the webpage (wordpress
> Site) on local lan.
>
>
> On 30/10/16 11:58, Amias Channer via Bristol wrote:
>> Hello Peter,
>>
>> Are you still running a restrictive local firewall on your laptop ?
>
> I think I tried it with not firewall but not sure!
>
>>
>> A good tool for network diagnosis on android is an app called fing , it
>> scans your network for hosts and let's you scan them for services.
>
> I have now put it on my Android and can see my PC on 192.168.0.19.
>
> I did have a Upnp server (Serviio) running and have now removed it for
> simplicity.
>
> I can see the website on localhost using the PC
> I can ping it via "Fing" on the Android.
> I had SElinux running "enforcing" but with no warnings, set it to
> permissive to rule that out.
> httpd is set to run as apache user and apache group with me (user peter)
> in group apache.
>
> I still cannot connect via Android on Firefox using the IP address.
> It does change in the url box to "localhost" then reports "Unable to
> connect".
>
> What simple thing am I doing wrong! is it on the PC or Android?
>
> Nothing is happening in "httpd access_log20161105" this evening BUT
> there was an android line at 11:30:38 from 192.168.0.13 (my Android IP
> address), there may be a clue there but its a bit beyond my comprehension!:
>
> ::1 - - [05/Nov/2016:11:24:59 +0000] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-"
> "Apache/2.4.23 (Fedora) PHP/5.6.27 (internal dummy connection)"
> 192.168.0.13 - - [05/Nov/2016:11:30:38 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 301 - "-"
> "Mozilla/5.0 (Android 5.1; Mobile; rv:50.0) Gecko/50.0 Firefox/50.0"
> ::1 - - [05/Nov/2016:12:11:38 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 10200 "-"
> "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/49.0"
> ::1 - - [05/Nov/2016:12:11:38 +0000] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 209
> "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/49.0"
> ::1 - - [05/Nov/2016:12:11:38 +0000] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 209
> "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/49.0"
> 192.168.0.19 - - [05/Nov/2016:12:12:39 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 301 - "-"
> "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/49.0"
> ::1 - - [05/Nov/2016:12:12:39 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 10200 "-"
> "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/49.0"
>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Amias
>>
>> On 30 Oct 2016 9:20 a.m., "Peter Hemmings via Bristol" <
>> bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying to set up a demo Wordpress site and have installed LAMP and
>>> made a Wordpress local server but cannot connect to it.
>>>
>>> I can run it via "localhost" and the lan address (192.168.0.17) on my
>>> laptop, but from a smartphone on the lan it just states "not
>>> connecting".
>>>
>>> What have I forgot to do!?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter H
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Hi Peter

Just to check: the apache server is running on the laptop?



1) you need to check that the android phone is on the same network as
the laptop and the PC.

2) on your android phone you should use Fing to do both a scan of the
network, and if the your laptop is found then do a service scan on the
laptop.

- Using Fing you should see your router, laptop, PC and android phone.

- Fing: if you found your laptop and have done a service scan, you
should should at least see http on port 80 and mysql on port 3306.

This is the most useful comment:
> I still cannot connect via Android on Firefox using the IP address.
> It does change in the url box to "localhost" then reports "Unable to
> connect"

if wordpress is installed on your laptop, you can't connect to it from
the Desktop (or any other device) using http://localhost/.

Can you connect to the "wordpress" on the laptop, FROM the desktop PC?

If you can't connect to the laptop from the Desktop Pc or your android
phone, then either apache server, mysql or wordpress is misconfigured.

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 00:04:41 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] WP Local Server "Not Connecting"
Message-ID: <be09cd5a-0de3-7830-c91d-4fb2e3579f45@virginmedia.com>
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Sorry for not getting back earlier, I will not have too much time to
look again for a day or so but will stop confusing things and just use
Android with "Fink" and the laptop.

On 06/11/16 16:59, Martin Moore via Bristol wrote:
> If I understand your email
>
>>> I still cannot connect via Android on Firefox using the IP
>>> address. It does change in the url box to "localhost" then
>>> reports "Unable to connect".
> Seems to imply that the 'server' ip you are entering is the same as
> your android device. Either that or you have a Host file entry/odd
> routing setup somewhere. That's the only way that your Android would
> think that ip is 'localhost'
>

Just done a quick test with Laptop/Android:

Url "localhost" on laptop brings up the website.
Found WiFi IP (192.168.0.17) and that brings up website "localhost" OK


Used "Fing" on Android and scanned 192.168.0.17.
It shows 2 services port 80 http and 3306 mysql.

When I try to connect from fing to port 80 via firefox it quickly
changes to localhost and says "unable to connect"

So I assume I need to configure something on the Android or should it
just connect as I have a service, assuming its configured correctly on
the laptop!!?

PS I can ping from fing!!

FYI I am typing this on my pc on wired ethernet at 192.168.0.12 and
noticed it too has http on 80 and mysql on 3306 (and switches to
localhost when I try to open the site) so it looks like something I have
configured wrongly or not changed.

Could WP or mysql wrongly configured still cause this problem even
though I can see the services running from another device?

I will try again later when I get more time.

Regards
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Peter H

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