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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Which distro (Richard Stearn)
2. Re: Which distro (Max B)
3. Re: Which distro (Colin M. Strickland)
4. Re: Which distro (Peter Hemmings)
5. Re: Dygraph on Pi (success) (Peter Hemmings)
6. Re: Which distro (nick robinson)
7. Re: Which distro (Martin Moore)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:24:58 +0000
From: Richard Stearn <richard@rns-stearn.demon.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Which distro
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nick robinson wrote:
> It's basically red hat but just not with paid for support.
> if you are not selling your inhouse s/w why package it? you're just add a
> layer of admin with no real benefit.
Configuration control, traceability. Yes, a little extra work, pays dividends
when things go pear shaped.
Source code control gives traceabilty of what went into a package, the package
gives traceability of where and when it was in use.
--
Regards
Richard
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:30:24 +0100
From: Max B <psykx.out@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Which distro
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have you thought about something like puppet? it allows control over far
more configuration than just inhouse packages.
Personally I'm comfortable with tagging releases as such in git.
Max B
On 7 January 2015 at 16:24, Richard Stearn <richard@rns-stearn.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
> nick robinson wrote:
>
>> It's basically red hat but just not with paid for support.
>> if you are not selling your inhouse s/w why package it? you're just add a
>> layer of admin with no real benefit.
>>
>
> Configuration control, traceability. Yes, a little extra work, pays
> dividends
> when things go pear shaped.
>
> Source code control gives traceabilty of what went into a package, the
> package
> gives traceability of where and when it was in use.
>
> --
> Regards
> Richard
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:44:39 +0000
From: "Colin M. Strickland" <cms@beatworm.co.uk>
To: "Bristol and Bath Linux User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Which distro
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On 7 Jan 2015, at 14:43, nick robinson wrote:
> if you are not selling your inhouse s/w why package it? you're just
> add a
> layer of admin with no real benefit.
Versioned deployments and upgrades? Repeatable builds that can be
automatically tested? Show future employers you're not the kind of
person that publicly suggests software packaging is meaningless admin
work? Fine grained dependency management ? Installable by any competent
system administrator without specialist application knowledge? Impress
people at parties ? Simple integration with exsiting configuration
management systems ? Ability to put 'devops' on your CV ? Signed,
verifiable, audited change control ? ... I'm just guessing here,
obviously, you're probably right.
--
Regards,
Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:58:08 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Which distro
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On 07/01/15 15:44, Colin M. Strickland wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2015, at 14:43, nick robinson wrote:
>
>> if you are not selling your inhouse s/w why package it? you're just add a
>> layer of admin with no real benefit.
>
> Versioned deployments and upgrades? Repeatable builds that can be
> automatically tested? Show future employers you're not the kind of
> person that publicly suggests software packaging is meaningless admin
> work? Fine grained dependency management ? Installable by any competent
> system administrator without specialist application knowledge? Impress
> people at parties ?
I can answer that one - I am past impressing people!
Simple integration with exsiting configuration
> management systems ? Ability to put 'devops' on your CV ? Signed,
> verifiable, audited change control ? ... I'm just guessing here,
A lot of guessing
> obviously, you're probably right.
>
Seasons greetings - you must be sitting on a fortune of bricks and
mortar "up in the smoke"!!
All the Best
--
Peter H
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:59:54 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Dygraph on Pi (success)
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A success!!
For those (still) interested!, a picture of the O/P from
the pi on my PC is here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/45909169/Screenshot%20from%202015-01-07%2015%3A39%3A47.png
A summary of what I have done (in case it might be useful):
Connected a DHT11 (sensor) onto Pi's GPIO pins, then used
wiringPi/DHT11 program to produce an output in the form of csv line of
data (Date/Humidity/Temperature).
Created a cron job to output data every minute into a temp.log
(csv file) and used dygraph to convert data into graphs.
After getting it working (apache2 reading /var/www/temp.html), I
changed apache2 configuration (userdir module) to read the temp.html
file from a home folder (/home/pi/public_html).
The graph page is not perfect as there is still a problem getting a
degree sign and when highlighting a point on the graph, the details
panel covers the spike in humidity (my heavy breathing!).
At least it all now all works.
It's a shame that I did not identify the reasons for my problem.
PS this is a duplicate of an email with attachment that did not get to
the list
Regards
--
Peter H
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:13:36 +0000
From: nick robinson <nick@njrobinson.net>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Which distro
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> Versioned deployments and upgrades?
since they aren't using rpm at the moment they are doing version control
some other way.
> Repeatable builds that can be automatically tested?
rpm is not necessary for this
> Show future employers you're not the kind of person that publicly
suggests software packaging is meaningless admin work?
will gladly say that imposing another layer of admin for some internal
development that isn't already being used isn't worth while, it will save
time and money. not saying all packaging is meaningless, if its going to be
used by customers or shared externally in any way then absolutely necessary.
>Fine grained dependency management ?
again rpm is not necessary here.
>Installable by any competent system administrator without specialist
application knowledge?
are you sure this is a perk? :D adding rpm to a company with no rpm
experience makes you the one with specialist knowledge.
etc etc.
having worked with martin on previous projects where the custom deb packing
was a complete ball ache i am more than happy to say copying some small
internal development sources from one machine to another can be a hell of a
lot more efficient than maintaining packaged files.
On 7 January 2015 at 15:44, Colin M. Strickland <cms@beatworm.co.uk> wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2015, at 14:43, nick robinson wrote:
>
> if you are not selling your inhouse s/w why package it? you're just add a
>> layer of admin with no real benefit.
>>
>
> Versioned deployments and upgrades? Repeatable builds that can be
> automatically tested? Show future employers you're not the kind of person
> that publicly suggests software packaging is meaningless admin work? Fine
> grained dependency management ? Installable by any competent system
> administrator without specialist application knowledge? Impress people at
> parties ? Simple integration with exsiting configuration management systems
> ? Ability to put 'devops' on your CV ? Signed, verifiable, audited change
> control ? ... I'm just guessing here, obviously, you're probably right.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Colin M. Strickland, cms, 'that guy'.
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:51:08 -0000
From: "Martin Moore" <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: "'Bristol and Bath Linux User Group'" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Which distro
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>since they aren't using rpm at the moment they are doing version control some other way.
Erm no. </cough>
I did say it was a mess ;)
Martin.
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