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Today's Topics:
1. Re: My now (non) dual booting laptop (d.hockin)
2. Re: My now (non) dual booting laptop (Chris)
3. Re: My now (non) dual booting laptop (James Womack)
4. Re: My now (non) dual booting laptop (James Womack)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 13:15:12 +0100
From: "d.hockin" <d.hockin@btinternet.com>
To: "Bristol and Bath Linux User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Hemmings" <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: "Bristol and Bath Linux User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
> On 05/06/14 23:26, d.hockin wrote:
>> It was suggested by Chris that I post this and turn up at KT with my
>> laptop........!
>
> OK, but I would make sure there will be someone there to help you as not
> many (other than Chris) run SuSe and there is a drop off of attendees
> during the Summer!
>
>>
>> Dave (Posset)
>
> Snip
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hemmings"
>> <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk> To: "Bristol and Bath Linux User
>> Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014
>> 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
>>
>>
>
>> "Googling" is only of use if you a) know that to ask for, and b)
>> understand what the answer is - IF you knew enough to have asked the
>> right questions in the first place!
>
> If, after all this time, you are unable to do some research yourself,
> then you will lose quite a lot of support from this list.
Its not a question of "research". I have been extremely reluctant to do the
very same as the service co, which could result in wiping the machine a 3rd
time, This is NOT a reluctance to "have a go, but sheer prudence!
>> It was the local service firm who did the work, not me, so I only
>> know what they told me, that twice their attempt at installing Linux,
>> wiped out the XP that they had just installed.
>
> Assuming you paid for this work, it would have been better to ask on here
> for someone to do it and guarantee it would work.
>
The local firm diagnosed a failing hard drive, and couldn't source one in
Britain as they are no longer made, so I bought one new on ebay from Hong
Kong, and the local firm then installed it.....etc.
>>> You should also give us some H/W information, Laptop model HD(s)
>>> etc. In particular is the laptop a recent UEFI one!
>>> No problem with your laptop as UEFI is only on recent laptops.
>
>>
>> My laptop is an Advent 7046 Medionnb WID 2000 MD41270 It has an Intel
>> P4 dual core 3.06Ghz cpu and XPhome SP3 now on a new (IDE) 250Gb
>> Hard drive
>
> snip
>
>>> I expect they will but by having a go in the next few weeks might
>>> help you resolve things easier in future (yep, I know you are not
>>> young but nor am I!).
>>
"Having a go"? With the likelihood of wiping it yet again? That would be
really foolish, losing all that IS there..
>
> So, in summary:
> You are not prepared to "have a go",
Not true! I've been having a go all along!
> you insist on dual booting with windows,
That is not a crime! A necessity, seeing the lack of some facilities in
linux at the present.
> you do not know how to google for help,
There is no need to insult! I DO know how to "google", but Googling such
things often gets results that are OTT !
> you want to run SuSe
Why not? Its a very successful OS! LXF always rates it highly.
> which is not used by many who attend the KT
Why not - because it was commercially supported? Many large authorities
throughout the world ARE using it.
> and you just want to go to the KT to get it fixed without learning how to
> do it yourself.
Oh , please! I have been building computers for donkey's years. Yes
building, in the days when we soldered the componetnts, and built eprom
programmers etc, not just "assembling"; but technology has left me behind,
so I am asking for those who might know a lot more than me on the subject,
for help. Once there was a time when I could even write very small
programmes, but those day are long past......
This installation failure is something not handled by manuals etc. Until
now, I have installed many Suse versions, including an early bought and
boxed set, and dual booting setups have never presented problems before, so
this is way beyond my experience - and knowledge.
>
> I hope someone volunteers to help you again but I think you are losing the
> patience of many members over the last few years.
I am afraid it is you that is making me despair - I have given all the data
that I can, and have done all that I could, but have run into a brick wall
when a professional service has left my computer in tatters, and I have been
asking the only source of information that I know, for help, and did what
Chris advised me to do
..>
> Good Luck I hope you get is sorted.
>
>
> Snip
>
> --
> Peter H
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 14:01:09 +0100
From: Chris <cshorler@googlemail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
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On 6 June 2014 10:17:09 BST, Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>On 05/06/14 23:26, d.hockin wrote:
>> It was suggested by Chris that I post this and turn up at KT with my
>> laptop........!
>
>OK, but I would make sure there will be someone there to help you as
>not many (other than Chris) run SuSe and there is a drop off of
>attendees during the Summer!
>
I'll be there at 13.30.
There's nothing too complicated about installing involved... (Unless there's a bit locked Win 7 installation to deal with - which is feasible, but an annoyance).
Chris
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 11:58:38 +0100
From: James Womack <james.c.womack@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
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Hi Dave,
It sounds like this should be reasonably quick job. Here is my
assessment of what would need to be done, assuming that the local firm
have installed XP to a single partition which occupies the entire
laptop's hard drive.
1. If possible, make a disk image of the laptop's current drive
(backup) in case something goes wrong.
2. Boot a Linux Live USB/CD (could be any distro, does not need to be
SuSE).
3. Use gparted (or fdisk + correct command line utility for resizing
FAT or NTFS formatted partition) to resize the Windows XP partition on
the laptop hard drive to make space for the Linux partition.
4. Use gparted (or fdisk + mkfs command line utility for desired
format, probably ext4) to make new Linux partitions and format them
(probably just a root partition and swap).
5. Use SuSE Live USB/CD/DVD to install SuSE to the hard drive using
newly created partitions.
I don't know how the SuSE installer works, but it looks like GRUB2 is
the default bootloader. If the installer works like the Ubuntu
installer, the GRUB2 setup process should pick up that a Windows XP
partition is present on the drive and add an entry to the boot menu
for this automatically... otherwise...
6. Configure bootloader to offer XP and SuSE boot entries.
Finally...
7. Start making full hard disk backup images on a weekly basis using
something like CloneZilla, so that if something goes wrong in the
future, the entire setup can easily be restored.
I probably won't be at the KT, but I hope this is useful to you. If
you are able to image your hard drive to another disk, then you can
have a go at the above yourself without worrying about destroying the
current configuration -- if anything goes wrong, you can just restore
the image back and try again! I image my laptop's drive using
CloneZilla on a weekly basis: http://clonezilla.org/ and highly
recommend this software.
Regards,
James
On 05/06/14 20:23, d.hockin wrote:
> I hope to be at KT on the 28th with my laptop - that DID until
> recently, dualboot Suse and XP, until a local firm put in a new
> hard drive, and failed twice over to reinstall Suse, as each time
> they "tried" they wiped out Win!, so leaving me with a new install
> of Xp, a lot of hard work to put things in straight that they'd
> altered or left out(!) - and no linux:(
>
> I hope some member(s) of the group might be able to offer
> assistance to retrieve the situation..
>
> Dave (Posset)
>
> _______________________________________________ Bristol mailing
> list Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
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James Womack
james.c.womack@gmail.com
http://jcwomack.co.uk
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 12:00:11 +0100
From: James Womack <james.c.womack@gmail.com>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
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P.S. There are quite a few ways in which this could go wrong and
destroy the Windows XP partition, so I would strongly recommend
against trying this out without the safety of an image backup.
On 07/06/14 11:58, James Womack wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> It sounds like this should be reasonably quick job. Here is my
> assessment of what would need to be done, assuming that the local
> firm have installed XP to a single partition which occupies the
> entire laptop's hard drive.
>
> 1. If possible, make a disk image of the laptop's current drive
> (backup) in case something goes wrong.
>
> 2. Boot a Linux Live USB/CD (could be any distro, does not need to
> be SuSE).
>
> 3. Use gparted (or fdisk + correct command line utility for
> resizing FAT or NTFS formatted partition) to resize the Windows XP
> partition on the laptop hard drive to make space for the Linux
> partition.
>
> 4. Use gparted (or fdisk + mkfs command line utility for desired
> format, probably ext4) to make new Linux partitions and format
> them (probably just a root partition and swap).
>
> 5. Use SuSE Live USB/CD/DVD to install SuSE to the hard drive
> using newly created partitions.
>
> I don't know how the SuSE installer works, but it looks like GRUB2
> is the default bootloader. If the installer works like the Ubuntu
> installer, the GRUB2 setup process should pick up that a Windows
> XP partition is present on the drive and add an entry to the boot
> menu for this automatically... otherwise...
>
> 6. Configure bootloader to offer XP and SuSE boot entries.
>
> Finally...
>
> 7. Start making full hard disk backup images on a weekly basis
> using something like CloneZilla, so that if something goes wrong in
> the future, the entire setup can easily be restored.
>
> I probably won't be at the KT, but I hope this is useful to you.
> If you are able to image your hard drive to another disk, then you
> can have a go at the above yourself without worrying about
> destroying the current configuration -- if anything goes wrong, you
> can just restore the image back and try again! I image my laptop's
> drive using CloneZilla on a weekly basis: http://clonezilla.org/
> and highly recommend this software.
>
> Regards, James
>
> On 05/06/14 20:23, d.hockin wrote:
>> I hope to be at KT on the 28th with my laptop - that DID until
>> recently, dualboot Suse and XP, until a local firm put in a new
>> hard drive, and failed twice over to reinstall Suse, as each
>> time they "tried" they wiped out Win!, so leaving me with a new
>> install of Xp, a lot of hard work to put things in straight that
>> they'd altered or left out(!) - and no linux:(
>
>> I hope some member(s) of the group might be able to offer
>> assistance to retrieve the situation..
>
>> Dave (Posset)
>
>> _______________________________________________ Bristol mailing
>> list Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
>
>
- --
James Womack
james.c.womack@gmail.com
http://jcwomack.co.uk
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