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Today's Topics:

1. My now (non) dual booting laptop (d.hockin)
2. Re: My now (non) dual booting laptop (Peter Hemmings)
3. Re: My now (non) dual booting laptop (d.hockin)
4. Re: My now (non) dual booting laptop (Peter Hemmings)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 20:23:27 +0100
From: "d.hockin" <d.hockin@btinternet.com>
To: <bristol@lists.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
Message-ID: <F81E013746B14B7B8D2A607F4BBB5472@DAVE3>
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I hope to be at KT on the 28th with my laptop - that DID until recently,
dualboot Suse and XP, until a local firm put in a new hard drive, and failed
twice over to reinstall Suse, as each time they "tried" they wiped out Win!,
so leaving me with a new install of Xp, a lot of hard work to put things in
straight that they'd altered or left out(!) - and no linux:(

I hope some member(s) of the group might be able to offer assistance to
retrieve the situation..

Dave (Posset)




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 21:42:30 +0100
From: Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
Message-ID: <5390D636.70806@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
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Dave,

On 05/06/14 20:23, d.hockin wrote:
> I hope to be at KT on the 28th with my laptop - that DID until recently,
> dualboot Suse and XP, until a local firm put in a new hard drive, and
> failed twice over to reinstall Suse, as each time they "tried" they
> wiped out Win!, so leaving me with a new install of Xp, a lot of hard
> work to put things in straight that they'd altered or left out(!) - and
> no linux:(

I think you may be asking a lot from those who turn up on the 28th to
start from knowing nothing and sort your problem out!

It is over 3 weeks till the KT so I think you should have a go using
information you have found by "googling", and ask questions if you
don't understand, or tell us where the install is failing. You should
also give us some H/W information, Laptop model HD(s) etc. In
particular is the laptop a recent UEFI one!

I assume it would be silly to ask you to try and wean you off a no
longer supported OS!

>
> I hope some member(s) of the group might be able to offer assistance to
> retrieve the situation..

I expect they will but by having a go in the next few weeks might help
you resolve things easier in future (yep, I know you are not young but
nor am I!).

If you have problems, and you inform the list of the exact details then
you will have a better chance of you getting the problem sorted before
or at the KT at the end of the month.

>
> Dave (Posset)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bristol mailing list
> Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
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As you know, I do not use SuSe but most installers nowadays can cope
with most situations and can usually accommodate a dual boot windoze
partition, UEFI can be a bit trickier though.



Regards
--
Peter H



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:26:14 +0100
From: "d.hockin" <d.hockin@btinternet.com>
To: "Bristol and Bath Linux User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
Message-ID: <CFE8D54C9F7F4C54ADE8C250B44FE51A@DAVE3>
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reply-type=response

It was suggested by Chris that I post this and turn up at KT with my
laptop........!

Dave (Posset)

P.s. I have paid-for (by me) installation of Adobe CS4 and as a
photographer, it is an important piece of software unequalled by any other!
Much as I like Linux, having had Suse right from v.7, there is also no
version of Pix2exe, which is the world standard programme for creating
stand-alone audio-visual shows. Whilst the makers DO have a "version" for
Mac users, there is no likelihood of them making one for the linux market,
so some version of Windows will HAVE to be kept, even if its the horrid v. 7
or the awful v. 8.1! Unless of course, these programmes can be run under
Wine, but that is something I have no knowledge of.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Hemmings" <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: "Bristol and Bath Linux User Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop


> Dave,
>
> On 05/06/14 20:23, d.hockin wrote:
>> I hope to be at KT on the 28th with my laptop - that DID until recently,
>> dualboot Suse and XP, until a local firm put in a new hard drive, and
>> failed twice over to reinstall Suse, as each time they "tried" they
>> wiped out Win!, so leaving me with a new install of Xp, a lot of hard
>> work to put things in straight that they'd altered or left out(!) - and
>> no linux:(
>
> I think you may be asking a lot from those who turn up on the 28th to
> start from knowing nothing and sort your problem out!
>
> It is over 3 weeks till the KT so I think you should have a go using
> information you have found by "googling", and ask questions if you don't
> understand, or tell us where the install is failing.


"Googling" is only of use if you a) know that to ask for, and b) understand
what the answer is - IF you knew enough to have asked the right questions in
the first place!

It was the local service firm who did the work, not me, so I only know what
they told me, that twice their attempt at installing Linux, wiped out the XP
that they had just installed.

> You should also give us some H/W information, Laptop model HD(s) etc. In
> particular is the laptop a recent UEFI one!

What is UEFI?

My laptop is an Advent 7046 Medionnb WID 2000 MD41270
It has an Intel P4 dual core 3.06Ghz cpu and XPhome SP3 now on a new (IDE)
250Gb Hard drive

> I assume it would be silly to ask you to try and wean you off a no longer
> supported OS!

I have had Suse as well as Win from 3.11 to XPpro in our 3 machines for the
last 10 years! But Linux is still not yet a suitable total replacement for
Windows, unfortunately, especially for the majority of users. Yes, it is
fast, yes, in some ways, it is good and I like it, but it is not yet for the
general public, of which I am now one.
>>
>> I hope some member(s) of the group might be able to offer assistance to
>> retrieve the situation..
>
> I expect they will but by having a go in the next few weeks might help you
> resolve things easier in future (yep, I know you are not young but nor am
> I!).

"Having a go"?

I have no wish to add a 3rd, this time self-inflicted, deletion of the
material on my laptop, by attempting to install Suse, without help! It has
taken me some weeks to get things back - nearly - to rights on the Windows
setup.
Office, and AVGpro, Outlook Express, Firefox was reinstalle (but IE8
refuses to run), are back up and running, but not the firewall ZoneAlarmPro,
as many things didn't get mirrored accurately by the service company, though
most of my files survived. For some software I had to copy dlls from the
other PCs before things would run. Others such as Brother's Keeper have had
to be reinstalled from scratch but the data files aren't being read, so will
have to be transferred, hopefully from one of the other PCs, as they contain
details of some thousands of names .

> If you have problems, and you inform the list of the exact details then
> you will have a better chance of you getting the problem sorted before or
> at the KT at the end of the month.
>
>>
>> Dave (Posset)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bristol mailing list
>> Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
>
> As you know, I do not use SuSe but most installers nowadays can cope with
> most situations and can usually accommodate a dual boot windoze partition,
> UEFI can be a bit trickier though.
>
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Peter H
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bristol mailing list
> Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
>




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:17:09 +0100
From: Peter Hemmings <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
Message-ID: <53918715.6030509@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

On 05/06/14 23:26, d.hockin wrote:
> It was suggested by Chris that I post this and turn up at KT with my
> laptop........!

OK, but I would make sure there will be someone there to help you as
not many (other than Chris) run SuSe and there is a drop off of
attendees during the Summer!

>
> Dave (Posset)

Snip

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hemmings"
> <peter@hemmings.eclipse.co.uk> To: "Bristol and Bath Linux User
> Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014
> 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [bristol] My now (non) dual booting laptop
>
>

> "Googling" is only of use if you a) know that to ask for, and b)
> understand what the answer is - IF you knew enough to have asked the
> right questions in the first place!

If, after all this time, you are unable to do some research yourself,
then you will loose quite a lot of support from this list.

>
> It was the local service firm who did the work, not me, so I only
> know what they told me, that twice their attempt at installing Linux,
> wiped out the XP that they had just installed.

Assuming you paid for this work, it would have been better to ask on
here for someone to do it and guarantee it would work.

>
>> You should also give us some H/W information, Laptop model HD(s)
>> etc. In particular is the laptop a recent UEFI one!
>
> What is UEFI?

A Ten second "Google" got this!:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUnified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface&ei=QIKRU5XSDKrT7Abh1YDoDg&usg=AFQjCNEywBjcYusxbmN1WOeF2MOt0PaCnQ&bvm=bv.68445247,d.ZGU

No problem with your laptop as UEFI is only on recent laptops.

>
> My laptop is an Advent 7046 Medionnb WID 2000 MD41270 It has an Intel
> P4 dual core 3.06Ghz cpu and XPhome SP3 now on a new (IDE) 250Gb
> Hard drive

snip

>> I expect they will but by having a go in the next few weeks might
>> help you resolve things easier in future (yep, I know you are not
>> young but nor am I!).
>
> "Having a go"?

So, in summary:
You are not prepared to "have a go", you insist on dual booting with
windows, you do not know how to google for help, you want to run SuSe
which is not used by many who attend the KT and you just want to go to
the KT to get it fixed without learning how to do it yourself.

I hope someone volunteers to help you again but I think you are loosing
the patience of many members over the last few years.

Good Luck I hope you get is sorted.


Snip

--
Peter H



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