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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:31:29 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
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Nice and which Steve?

On Friday, 13 January 2017 00:00:18 GMT, Jon Chesterfield via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Steve & I are going on the eurostar on Thursday, staying in the "Barsey by
> Warwick".
>
> I don't think I've met many of you yet. I will try to make it to the
> upcoming Saturday event.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jon Chesterfield
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:33:44 +0000
> From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
> To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
> Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
> Message-ID: <c0e265ab-78ea-41c2-96d3-1e1bfe72404a@gmx.com>
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>
> Hi
>
> Don't think we have mett before etc? Samir and myself are flying. He will
> be staying somewhere else. But after five years of going to Brussels each
> year for FOSDEM its time for a hotel change. So I will be trying out two
> other hotels in the area that been staying in the last few years. Thats a
> small three star, followed by the other nights in a four star, where I have
> quite a good deal it seems.
>
> Another newer guy from the LUG wanted to come as well it seems. Maybe we
> can all meet up to discuss Brussels etc at the next LUG meeting on Saturday
> 28th Jan?
>
> Got a few people to meet from the Mageia project again etc, and there will
> be a talk on Saturday.
>
> On Monday, 9 January 2017 11:50:19 GMT, Y Martin via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Catching up on my emails after xmas and new year I just noticed this
>> thread(!) Me and three friends are driving from Bristol to Brussels
>> FOSDEM 2017 on Friday 3rd February, returning on Monday 6th Feb. We have
>> 1/2 free seats if anyone wants to come along. The transport should cost
>> less than £20 one way. We are still looking into accommodation.
>>
>> FOSS regards,
>>
>> Yousef
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
>> From: Sebastian via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
>> To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
>> Date: 21/12/16 22:54
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 21 December 2016 14:23:14 GMT, David Smith via Bristol
>>> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bristol [mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Sebastian via Bristol
>>>>>
>>>>> The Eurostar is cheaper, and not the first time people have been
>>>>> like, from
>>>>> the UK, your going to Brussels why not on the Eurostar. However
>>>>> here's how
>>>>> I see it, we are down here in this area, so to go by Eurostar first
>>>>> you got to
>>>>> get to London, well actually past London, Dover? That's
>>>>> over two hours
>>>>> travelling already! With a plane can leave at a nicer time for a
>>>>> later flight, and
>>>>> waiting around a bit in less busy airports such as Bristol, doesn't
>>>>> bother me at
>>>>> all, usually better not on own though.
>>>>
>>>> Not Dover - Bristol Temple Meads/Parkway to Paddington, Paddington to
>>>> St Pancras on the tube (Circle/Hammersmith&City), St Pancras to
>>>> Brussels on Eurostar.
>>>
>>> Oh ok haven't made that journey, and many years ago since going in a car
>>> with my family on the Eurostar to France. Or from Dover over to France
>>> or Belgium via the ferrys even.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My experience was that, to Grenoble, the journey time was similar once
>>>> you factor in the fact that I'm on completely the wrong side of
>>>> Bristol for the airport so it's a minimum 1/2 hr journey time
>>>> (compared to a quick hop to Parkway station),
>>>
>>> I am about an hour maybe about 45 minutes depending on traffic, from
>>> that air port, via car or taxi, so not that near as well. Bristol
>>> Parkway is about half an hour in a car/taxi or on a particular bus that
>>> doesn't go that often, so not near as well in a way.
>>>
>>> the
>>>> extra time in the airports (you don't have to check in an hour or more
>>>> before departure for a train), waiting at baggage reclaim,
>>>
>>> No, but trains can get delayed or missed, resulting in having to wait
>>> longer at the train station
>>>
>>> sorting out a hire car at the other end, then 2-3 hours
>>>> of driving to get from Geneva to Grenoble (no direct flights outside
>>>> of ski season).
>>> If going to Brussels or Geneva or some where like that and via car, then
>>> surely its better really to go all the way via car, and the Eurostar or
>>> ferryr?
>>> Both of them worked out at about 8
>>>> hours.
>>>>
>>>>> Flying from Brussels from down here only takes about an hour and ten
>>>>> minutes, only about 45 minutes from Heathrow as well (done that
>>>>> before as
>>>>> well), way quicker to fly. With a train may have to wait around in
>>>>> train
>>>>> stations as well, or for trains that are delayed, etc. Plus it's
>>>>> eaiser
>>>>> to travel with an extra bag via planes, since that's one of the first
>>>>> things that
>>>>> is done, getting rid of that extra bag :).
>>>>
>>>> I'd go the other way around - you don't have the 100 ml restrictions
>>>> for hand baggage, plus no waiting at baggage reclaim at the other end
>>>> - just walk out with all your stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Well, it was just a suggestion.
>>>
>>> That's ok to suggest, and if this email comes up with the wrong to name,
>>> it's since a email client issue.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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1. Re: FOSDEM 2017 (Jon Chesterfield)

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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:00:18 +0000
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Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
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Hi,

Steve & I are going on the eurostar on Thursday, staying in the "Barsey by
Warwick".

I don't think I've met many of you yet. I will try to make it to the
upcoming Saturday event.

Cheers,

Jon Chesterfield

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:33:44 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
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Don't think we have mett before etc? Samir and myself are flying. He will
be staying somewhere else. But after five years of going to Brussels each
year for FOSDEM its time for a hotel change. So I will be trying out two
other hotels in the area that been staying in the last few years. Thats a
small three star, followed by the other nights in a four star, where I have
quite a good deal it seems.

Another newer guy from the LUG wanted to come as well it seems. Maybe we
can all meet up to discuss Brussels etc at the next LUG meeting on Saturday
28th Jan?

Got a few people to meet from the Mageia project again etc, and there will
be a talk on Saturday.

On Monday, 9 January 2017 11:50:19 GMT, Y Martin via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Catching up on my emails after xmas and new year I just noticed this
> thread(!) Me and three friends are driving from Bristol to Brussels
> FOSDEM 2017 on Friday 3rd February, returning on Monday 6th Feb. We have
> 1/2 free seats if anyone wants to come along. The transport should cost
> less than £20 one way. We are still looking into accommodation.
>
> FOSS regards,
>
> Yousef
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
> From: Sebastian via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
> To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
> Date: 21/12/16 22:54
>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 21 December 2016 14:23:14 GMT, David Smith via Bristol
>> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bristol [mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>> Sebastian via Bristol
>>>>
>>>> The Eurostar is cheaper, and not the first time people have been
>>>> like, from
>>>> the UK, your going to Brussels why not on the Eurostar. However
>>>> here's how
>>>> I see it, we are down here in this area, so to go by Eurostar first
>>>> you got to
>>>> get to London, well actually past London, Dover? That's over two hours
>>>> travelling already! With a plane can leave at a nicer time for a
>>>> later flight, and
>>>> waiting around a bit in less busy airports such as Bristol, doesn't
>>>> bother me at
>>>> all, usually better not on own though.
>>>
>>> Not Dover - Bristol Temple Meads/Parkway to Paddington, Paddington to
>>> St Pancras on the tube (Circle/Hammersmith&City), St Pancras to
>>> Brussels on Eurostar.
>>
>> Oh ok haven't made that journey, and many years ago since going in a car
>> with my family on the Eurostar to France. Or from Dover over to France
>> or Belgium via the ferrys even.
>>
>>>
>>> My experience was that, to Grenoble, the journey time was similar once
>>> you factor in the fact that I'm on completely the wrong side of
>>> Bristol for the airport so it's a minimum 1/2 hr journey time
>>> (compared to a quick hop to Parkway station),
>>
>> I am about an hour maybe about 45 minutes depending on traffic, from
>> that air port, via car or taxi, so not that near as well. Bristol
>> Parkway is about half an hour in a car/taxi or on a particular bus that
>> doesn't go that often, so not near as well in a way.
>>
>> the
>>> extra time in the airports (you don't have to check in an hour or more
>>> before departure for a train), waiting at baggage reclaim,
>>
>> No, but trains can get delayed or missed, resulting in having to wait
>> longer at the train station
>>
>> sorting out a hire car at the other end, then 2-3 hours
>>> of driving to get from Geneva to Grenoble (no direct flights outside
>>> of ski season).
>> If going to Brussels or Geneva or some where like that and via car, then
>> surely its better really to go all the way via car, and the Eurostar or
>> ferryr?
>> Both of them worked out at about 8
>>> hours.
>>>
>>>> Flying from Brussels from down here only takes about an hour and ten
>>>> minutes, only about 45 minutes from Heathrow as well (done that
>>>> before as
>>>> well), way quicker to fly. With a train may have to wait around in
>>>> train
>>>> stations as well, or for trains that are delayed, etc. Plus it's
>>>> eaiser
>>>> to travel with an extra bag via planes, since that's one of the first
>>>> things that
>>>> is done, getting rid of that extra bag :).
>>>
>>> I'd go the other way around - you don't have the 100 ml restrictions
>>> for hand baggage, plus no waiting at baggage reclaim at the other end
>>> - just walk out with all your stuff.
>>>
>>> Well, it was just a suggestion.
>>
>> That's ok to suggest, and if this email comes up with the wrong to name,
>> it's since a email client issue.
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Another newer guy from the LUG wanted to come as well it seems. Maybe we
can all meet up to discuss Brussels etc at the next LUG meeting on Saturday
28th Jan?

Got a few people to meet from the Mageia project again etc, and there will
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1. Re: Mythtv Channel Listings (Dave Addison)
2. Re: Mythtv Channel Listings (Dave Addison)
3. Re: FOSDEM 2017 (Y Martin)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 23:40:04 +0000
From: Dave Addison <dave@redmoor.org.uk>
To: debian@invux.com, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Mythtv Channel Listings
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On Friday 06 Jan 2017 09:56:29 Steve King via Bristol wrote:
> tvheadend is a much, much better backend than mythtv:
> https://tvheadend.org/
>
> I spent weeks tearing my hair out with mythtv and it never worked as I
> wanted it to.
>
> I am not saying it is perfect, but for recording DVD-T2, it is much closer
> to a drop in solution than mythtv.
>
> kodi supports it too.
>
> --
> Steve
>
> (I am not professionally affiliated to either tvheadend or kodi. Just a
> happy user)
Thanks Steve

I might give that a go when a find a couple of spare hours

Dave

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 23:40:46 +0000
From: Dave Addison <dave@redmoor.org.uk>
To: Steve Evans <bristollug@gorbag.com>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Mythtv Channel Listings
Message-ID: <2091871.uxe8bkXPeN@phaedra>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

On Friday 06 Jan 2017 09:24:46 Steve Evans via Bristol wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 00:17:02 +0000
>
> Dave Addison via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > I'm trying to set up Mythtv with a freeview tuner and I can't find a
> > functional "grabber" programme for downloading a programme guide
> > - Radio Times is shut down and moved to Atlas
> > - Atlas won't give out API keys for personal use
> > - bleb (whoever they are) only has a small subset of the channels
> > - guardian won't run (incompatible with my version of
> > XMLTV::Supplement)
> > - tvguide won't run (incompatible with my version of
> > XMLTV::Supplement)
> >
> > Is anyone using Mythtv with freeview and, if so, which EPG grabber
> > are you using?
>
> I use Schedules direct (http://schedulesdirect.org/) with the xmltv
> grabber tv_grab_sd_json.
>
> Steve
Thanks Steve

That sounds like a good option

Dave

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 11:50:19 +0000
From: Y Martin <ym2016@riseup.net>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
Message-ID: <8adc2267-5061-1168-4416-b15994b48b97@riseup.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Catching up on my emails after xmas and new year I just noticed this
thread(!) Me and three friends are driving from Bristol to Brussels
FOSDEM 2017 on Friday 3rd February, returning on Monday 6th Feb. We have
1/2 free seats if anyone wants to come along. The transport should cost
less than £20 one way. We are still looking into accommodation.

FOSS regards,

Yousef

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [bristol] FOSDEM 2017
From: Sebastian via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Date: 21/12/16 22:54

>
>
> On Wednesday, 21 December 2016 14:23:14 GMT, David Smith via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bristol [mailto:bristol-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>> Sebastian via Bristol
>>>
>>> The Eurostar is cheaper, and not the first time people have been
>>> like, from
>>> the UK, your going to Brussels why not on the Eurostar. However
>>> here's how
>>> I see it, we are down here in this area, so to go by Eurostar first
>>> you got to
>>> get to London, well actually past London, Dover? That's over two hours
>>> travelling already! With a plane can leave at a nicer time for a
>>> later flight, and
>>> waiting around a bit in less busy airports such as Bristol, doesn't
>>> bother me at
>>> all, usually better not on own though.
>>
>> Not Dover - Bristol Temple Meads/Parkway to Paddington, Paddington to
>> St Pancras on the tube (Circle/Hammersmith&City), St Pancras to
>> Brussels on Eurostar.
>
> Oh ok haven't made that journey, and many years ago since going in a car
> with my family on the Eurostar to France. Or from Dover over to France
> or Belgium via the ferrys even.
>
>>
>> My experience was that, to Grenoble, the journey time was similar once
>> you factor in the fact that I'm on completely the wrong side of
>> Bristol for the airport so it's a minimum 1/2 hr journey time
>> (compared to a quick hop to Parkway station),
>
> I am about an hour maybe about 45 minutes depending on traffic, from
> that air port, via car or taxi, so not that near as well. Bristol
> Parkway is about half an hour in a car/taxi or on a particular bus that
> doesn't go that often, so not near as well in a way.
>
> the
>> extra time in the airports (you don't have to check in an hour or more
>> before departure for a train), waiting at baggage reclaim,
>
> No, but trains can get delayed or missed, resulting in having to wait
> longer at the train station
>
> sorting out a hire car at the other end, then 2-3 hours
>> of driving to get from Geneva to Grenoble (no direct flights outside
>> of ski season).
> If going to Brussels or Geneva or some where like that and via car, then
> surely its better really to go all the way via car, and the Eurostar or
> ferryr?
> Both of them worked out at about 8
>> hours.
>>
>>> Flying from Brussels from down here only takes about an hour and ten
>>> minutes, only about 45 minutes from Heathrow as well (done that
>>> before as
>>> well), way quicker to fly. With a train may have to wait around in
>>> train
>>> stations as well, or for trains that are delayed, etc. Plus it's
>>> eaiser
>>> to travel with an extra bag via planes, since that's one of the first
>>> things that
>>> is done, getting rid of that extra bag :).
>>
>> I'd go the other way around - you don't have the 100 ml restrictions
>> for hand baggage, plus no waiting at baggage reclaim at the other end
>> - just walk out with all your stuff.
>>
>> Well, it was just a suggestion.
>
> That's ok to suggest, and if this email comes up with the wrong to name,
> it's since a email client issue.
>
>

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1. Mythtv Channel Listings (Dave Addison)
2. Re: Mythtv Channel Listings (Steve Evans)
3. Re: Mythtv Channel Listings (Malcolm Parsons)
4. Re: Mythtv Channel Listings (Steve King)
5. Re: Mythtv Channel Listings (Richard Stearn)

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 00:17:02 +0000
From: Dave Addison <dave@redmoor.org.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] Mythtv Channel Listings
Message-ID: <1670215.Ra84amn7Qy@phaedra>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi All

I'm trying to set up Mythtv with a freeview tuner and I can't find a functional
"grabber" programme for downloading a programme guide
- Radio Times is shut down and moved to Atlas
- Atlas won't give out API keys for personal use
- bleb (whoever they are) only has a small subset of the channels
- guardian won't run (incompatible with my version of XMLTV::Supplement)
- tvguide won't run (incompatible with my version of XMLTV::Supplement)

Is anyone using Mythtv with freeview and, if so, which EPG grabber are you
using?

Regards
Dave

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:24:46 +0000
From: Steve Evans <bristollug@gorbag.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Mythtv Channel Listings
Message-ID: <20170106092446.10c24612@cylon.local>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 00:17:02 +0000
Dave Addison via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I'm trying to set up Mythtv with a freeview tuner and I can't find a
> functional "grabber" programme for downloading a programme guide
> - Radio Times is shut down and moved to Atlas
> - Atlas won't give out API keys for personal use
> - bleb (whoever they are) only has a small subset of the channels
> - guardian won't run (incompatible with my version of
> XMLTV::Supplement)
> - tvguide won't run (incompatible with my version of
> XMLTV::Supplement)
>
> Is anyone using Mythtv with freeview and, if so, which EPG grabber
> are you using?
>

I use Schedules direct (http://schedulesdirect.org/) with the xmltv
grabber tv_grab_sd_json.

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:30:26 +0000
From: Malcolm Parsons <malcolm.parsons@gmail.com>
To: Dave Addison <dave@redmoor.org.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Mythtv Channel Listings
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On 6 January 2017 at 00:17, Dave Addison via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Is anyone using Mythtv with freeview and, if so, which EPG grabber are you
> using?

I use EIT https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/EIT

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:56:29 -0000
From: "Steve King" <debian@invux.com>
To: "Dave Addison" <dave@redmoor.org.uk>, "Bristol and Bath Linux User
Group" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Mythtv Channel Listings
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tvheadend is a much, much better backend than mythtv:
https://tvheadend.org/

I spent weeks tearing my hair out with mythtv and it never worked as I
wanted it to.

I am not saying it is perfect, but for recording DVD-T2, it is much closer
to a drop in solution than mythtv.

kodi supports it too.

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(I am not professionally affiliated to either tvheadend or kodi. Just a
happy user)

> Hi All
>
> I'm trying to set up Mythtv with a freeview tuner and I can't find a
> functional
> "grabber" programme for downloading a programme guide
> - Radio Times is shut down and moved to Atlas
> - Atlas won't give out API keys for personal use
> - bleb (whoever they are) only has a small subset of the channels
> - guardian won't run (incompatible with my version of XMLTV::Supplement)
> - tvguide won't run (incompatible with my version of XMLTV::Supplement)
>
> Is anyone using Mythtv with freeview and, if so, which EPG grabber are you
> using?
>
> Regards
> Dave
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:16:05 +0000
From: Richard Stearn <richard@rns-stearn.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Mythtv Channel Listings
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Dave Addison via Bristol wrote:

> Is anyone using Mythtv with freeview and, if so, which EPG grabber are you
> using?

The built-in EPG. Adequate for my needs, YMMV.

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1. ssh to Google Cloud problem (Martin Moore)
2. Re: ssh to Google Cloud problem (Amias Channer)
3. Re: Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop (Peter Hemmings)
4. Re: ssh to Google Cloud problem (Martin Moore)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 14:02:41 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: [bristol] ssh to Google Cloud problem
Message-ID: <02C7F1B5-D0CF-4232-9393-0921667114DE@it-helps.co.uk>
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I'm having problems getting backuppc to work on Google Cloud.

One possible issue is that I can't ssh as root to the GC instance. I CAN ssh as a user other than root.

Any pointers?

Ta.

root@NewDev:~/.ssh# ssh -v gcinstance
OpenSSH_6.5, OpenSSL 1.0.1k 8 Jan 2015
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to gcbackup [xx.xx.xx.xx] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: permanently_set_uid: 0/0
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa type 1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_ecdsa type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_ecdsa-cert type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_ed25519 type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_ed25519-cert type -1
debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.5p1 Debian-4
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3
debug1: match: OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3 pat OpenSSH* compat 0x04000000
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com none
debug1: kex: client->server aes128-ctr hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com none
debug1: sending SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_INIT
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_REPLY
debug1: Server host key: ECDSA 11:9f:25:4f:c1:xx:42:b1:xx:03:d8:94:8f:f8:58:01
debug1: Host 'gcbackup' is known and matches the ECDSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:1
debug1: ssh_ecdsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: Roaming not allowed by server
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Offering RSA public key: /root/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
debug1: Trying private key: /root/.ssh/id_dsa
debug1: Trying private key: /root/.ssh/id_ecdsa
debug1: Trying private key: /root/.ssh/id_ed25519
debug1: No more authentication methods to try.
Permission denied (publickey).

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 14:33:53 +0000
From: Amias Channer <me@amias.net>
To: Bristol and Bath Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, Martin Moore
<martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] ssh to Google Cloud problem
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Hello Martin,

Ssh roaming is now deprecated due to security issues, its the magic
reconnect thing that ssh does and it's been abused.

Tldr: disable the roaming options in your ssh client config.

For more info
http://superuser.com/questions/825634/what-could-roaming-not-allowed-by-server-of-ssh-client-mean

Cheers
Amias

On 3 Jan 2017 2:03 p.m., "Martin Moore via Bristol" <
bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:

I'm having problems getting backuppc to work on Google Cloud.

One possible issue is that I can't ssh as root to the GC instance. I CAN
ssh as a user other than root.

Any pointers?

Ta.

root@NewDev:~/.ssh# ssh -v gcinstance
OpenSSH_6.5, OpenSSL 1.0.1k 8 Jan 2015
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to gcbackup [xx.xx.xx.xx] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: permanently_set_uid: 0/0
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa type 1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_ecdsa type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_ecdsa-cert type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_ed25519 type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_ed25519-cert type -1
debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.5p1 Debian-4
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_6.7p1
Debian-5+deb8u3
debug1: match: OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3 pat OpenSSH* compat 0x04000000
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com none
debug1: kex: client->server aes128-ctr hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com none
debug1: sending SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_INIT
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_REPLY
debug1: Server host key: ECDSA 11:9f:25:4f:c1:xx:42:b1:xx:03:
d8:94:8f:f8:58:01
debug1: Host 'gcbackup' is known and matches the ECDSA host key.
debug1: Found key in /root/.ssh/known_hosts:1
debug1: ssh_ecdsa_verify: signature correct
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
debug1: Roaming not allowed by server
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
debug1: Offering RSA public key: /root/.ssh/id_rsa
debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey
debug1: Trying private key: /root/.ssh/id_dsa
debug1: Trying private key: /root/.ssh/id_ecdsa
debug1: Trying private key: /root/.ssh/id_ed25519
debug1: No more authentication methods to try.
Permission denied (publickey).

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 15:17:37 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
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Update,

On 03/01/17 11:43, Dave Addison via Bristol wrote:
> Quoting Peter Hemmings via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>:
>
>> On 02/01/17 18:25, Sebastian via Bristol wrote:
>>> Also you can only use one graphical one at once as far as I know,
>>> can't use more than one I belive.
>>
>> OK, if that's so I will stop/remove the rdp server before
>> reverting to a new install which is a bit of a "cop out"!

I have a fresh Raspian on the pi.

First the good news, I can open the desktop on my Android Vnc Viewer
after enabling the service on the pi config (which was greyed out on old
install due to my tinkering!)
I checked this connection as being 192.168.0.15:5900.

Now the bad news, using "Remote Desktop Viewer" in Fedora 25 it reports
"Connection to host closed".

So I assume its either a firewall config problem or viewer problem.

At least the pi now works and has a server running!

>>
>> -- Peter H
> Hi
>
> There's nothing stopping you from running multiple X displays on the
> same machine but they must have a different display number. The
> display number defines the unix sockets and network ports that the
> display software will try and use for connections from clients.

>
> It's possible that vnc is attempting to set up using the same display
> number as the rdp server in which case it will fail repeatedly as
> you're seeing in the systemd output.

Yep I think that could have been the problem as I do not remember
setting the number!

It should be logging to either
> the system journal or a log file somewhere and this should provide a
> more helpful error message
>
> ssh can be used to forward graphical clients. ssh -X user@hostname
> will provide an encrypted connection back to the X display on your
> local machine. I use the quite a lot with the pi as it offloads the
> running of the X-display software.
>
> Regards Dave
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 15:49:30 +0000
From: Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
To: Amias Channer <me@amias.net>, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] ssh to Google Cloud problem
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Thanks Amias, AFAIK I'm not roaming.

The backuppc error is

Fetching remote protocol

Got remote protocol 1953722184

Fatal error (bad version): Host key verification failed.

But googling shows that this probably means the far end (non-google server) is outputting some text not expected.

I've run the cmd that backuppc is trying from gcinstance to my server. It looks like it's running on my server, but isn't sending files back, also has 0s cpu time.

gcinstance$ /usr/bin/ssh -x -v -l root myserver.com /usr/bin/rsync --server --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group -D --links --hard-links --times --block-size=2048 --recursive -D --ignore-times . /home/

OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3, OpenSSL 1.0.1t 3 May 2016

debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config

debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for *

debug1: Connecting to myserver.com [xx.xx.xx] port 22.

debug1: Connection established.

debug1: identity file /home/martinm/.ssh/id_rsa type 1

debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory

debug1: identity file /home/martinm/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1

debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory

debug1: identity file /home/martinm/.ssh/id_dsa type -1

debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory

debug1: identity file /home/martinm/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1

debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory

debug1: identity file /home/martinm/.ssh/id_ecdsa type -1

debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory

debug1: identity file /home/martinm/.ssh/id_ecdsa-cert type -1

debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory

debug1: identity file /home/martinm/.ssh/id_ed25519 type -1

debug1: key_load_public: No such file or directory

debug1: identity file /home/martinm/.ssh/id_ed25519-cert type -1

debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0

debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3

debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_6.5p1 Debian-4

debug1: match: OpenSSH_6.5p1 Debian-4 pat OpenSSH_6.5*,OpenSSH_6.6* compat 0x14000000

debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent

debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received

debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr umac-64-etm@openssh.com none

debug1: kex: client->server aes128-ctr umac-64-etm@openssh.com none

debug1: sending SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_INIT

debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_REPLY

debug1: Server host key: ECDSA e5:25:c7:8f:xx:a9:d1:de:xx:e1:66:3b:72:41:09:6d

debug1: Host myserver.com' is known and matches the ECDSA host key.

debug1: Found key in /home/martinm/.ssh/known_hosts:25

debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent

debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS

debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received

debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent

debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received

debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password

debug1: Next authentication method: publickey

debug1: Offering RSA public key: /home/martinm/.ssh/id_rsa

debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password

debug1: Trying private key: /home/martinm/.ssh/id_dsa

debug1: Trying private key: /home/martinm/.ssh/id_ecdsa

debug1: Trying private key: /home/martinm/.ssh/id_ed25519

debug1: Next authentication method: password

root@myserver.com's password:

debug1: Authentication succeeded (password).

Authenticated to sb3.avbrief.com ([xx.xx.xx.xx]:22).

debug1: channel 0: new [client-session]

debug1: Requesting no-more-sessions@openssh.com

debug1: Entering interactive session.

debug1: Sending environment.

debug1: Sending env LANG = en_US.UTF-8

debug1: Sending command: /usr/bin/rsync --server --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group -D --links --hard-links --times --block-size=2048 --recursive -D --ignore-times . /home/

debug1: client_input_channel_req: channel 0 rtype keepalive@openssh.com reply 1

myserver$ ps aux | grep rsync

root 13696 0.0 0.0 4888 604 ? Ss 15:15 0:00 /usr/bin/rsync --server --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group -D --links --hard-links --times --block-size=2048 --recursive -D --ignore-times . /home/

$ ps aux | grep rsync

root 20410 0.0 0.0 4888 612 ? Ss 15:29 0:00 /usr/bin/rsync --server --sender --numeric-ids --perms --owner --group -D --links --hard-links --times --block-size=2048 --recursive -D --ignore-times . /home/

From: <parsnip@amias.net> on behalf of Amias Channer <me@amias.net>
Date: Tuesday, 3 January 2017 at 14:33
To: Bristol and Bath Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, Martin Moore <martinm@it-helps.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] ssh to Google Cloud problem

Hello Martin,

Ssh roaming is now deprecated due to security issues, its the magic reconnect thing that ssh does and it's been abused.

Tldr: disable the roaming options in your ssh client config.

For more info

http://superuser.com/questions/825634/what-could-roaming-not-allowed-by-server-of-ssh-client-mean

Cheers

Amias

On 3 Jan 2017 2:03 p.m., "Martin Moore via Bristol" <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:

I'm having problems getting backuppc to work on Google Cloud.

One possible issue is that I can't ssh as root to the GC instance. I CAN ssh as a user other than root.

Any pointers?

Ta.

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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 18:27:20 +0000
From: AJ <lists@g7kna.co.uk>
To: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
Cc: BBLUG <Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, AJ <lists@g7kna.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
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On 2 January 2017 at 17:35, Peter Hemmings
<peternsomerset@virginmedia.com> wrote:
> Andy,
>
> On 02/01/17 16:25, AJ wrote:
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> Don't know how much of this you are familiar with so if I cover things
>> you know I apologise, I am not trying to teach granny, or anyone else
>> for that matter, how to suck eggs.
>
>
> OK
>
>>
>> VNC has two components:
>> 1. A VNC server running on the target machine that is to be
>> controlled, in this case your Pi
>> 2. A VNC client running on the machine you are operating usually a
>> tablet or other portable device
>>
>> You need to configure the server on the target machine and in doing so
>> will configure ports it listens on and the password to access the
>> server.
>>
>> Once the server is running on the target machine (Pi) you should be
>> able to connect to it by starting the VNC client on whatever device
>> you want to control the Pi from and pointing it at the IP address (or
>> hostname if your LAN supports that) of your Pi. The server on the Pi
>> will then prompt for the password which is entered and then the Pi
>> desktop should be seen within the VNC window.
>
>
> I did know most of the above but was reassurance that most of what I am
> doing is correct!
>
>>
>> Have a look here:
>>
>> https://www.realvnc.com/docs/raspberry-pi.html
>
>
> That is a bit better than what I was using!
>
> I originally was going to use either tightvnc or realvnc (cannot remember
> which) and read that I could not fully control the desktop and was advised
> to use x11vnc server.

Not sure why that should be the case but I have only limited use of
VNC and even less exposure to the Pi so there could be volumes that I
am unaware of. The link to RealVNC suggests that it is part of a
typical install so from an uninformed point of view why would they
give you something that only did half the job?

> I went through a procedure that "greyed out" the vnc option in rasp config,
> which is still "greyed out".
>
> If I log in via rdp I can see its still greyed out.
> If I ssh into a CLI and type:
>
> sudo systemctl enable vncserver-x11-serviced.service
>
> it seem to work without complaining but if I do a "Status" I get errors
> like:
>
> loaded enabled
> Active Failed (result: start limit) ...... Maind PID: 589 (code=exited,
> status=203/EXEC)
>
> and
>
> vncserver-x11-serviced.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing
> to start.
> Failed to start VNV Server in Service Mode Daemon.
>
> (sorry had to type the above as I cannot copy/paste from remote viewer
> window)
>

OK, that is well beyond my understanding

> I think I will start with a new raspian install to ensure any old config
> settings are not the cause of the problem!
>

That would be a good approach, and probably my own thoughts on the matte too

> BTW is tightvnc a fully functioning server or is it a cut down version?
>

I really don't know, I'm not sure I grasp what "fully functioning"
means. When I used it it would faithfully replicate the remote
machines desktop and I could operate as if sat in front of the remote
machine. I could also cut and paste out of the VNC and into
applications local to me. I haven't had to use it for a couple of
years or more so I really can't remember that much about the settings
available within the server but they seemed quite comprehensive at the
time.

> Thanks
>
> --
> Peter H

Regards

Andy
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Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 20:12:51 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <5d9bef0e-10fe-e9d9-2c88-a4c179847c42@virginmedia.com>
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On 02/01/17 18:25, Sebastian via Bristol wrote:
> Also you can only use one graphical one at once as far as I know, can't
> use more than one I belive.

OK, if that's so I will stop/remove the rdp server before reverting to
a new install which is a bit of a "cop out"!

--
Peter H

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 11:43:07 +0000
From: Dave Addison <dave@redmoor.org.uk>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <20170103114307.188878wnpk4qb9e3@phaedra.homelinux.org>
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Quoting Peter Hemmings via Bristol <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>:

> On 02/01/17 18:25, Sebastian via Bristol wrote:
>> Also you can only use one graphical one at once as far as I know, can't
>> use more than one I belive.
>
> OK, if that's so I will stop/remove the rdp server before reverting
> to a new install which is a bit of a "cop out"!
>
>
>
> --
> Peter H
Hi

There's nothing stopping you from running multiple X displays on the same machine but they must have a different display number. The display number defines the unix sockets and network ports that the display software will try and use for connections from clients.

It's possible that vnc is attempting to set up using the same display number as the rdp server in which case it will fail repeatedly as you're seeing in the systemd output. It should be logging to either the system journal or a log file somewhere and this should provide a more helpful error message

ssh can be used to forward graphical clients. ssh -X user@hostname will provide an encrypted connection back to the X display on your local machine. I use the quite a lot with the pi as it offloads the running of the X-display software

Regards
Dave
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5. Re: Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop (Sebastian)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 14:49:03 +0000
From: AJ <lists@g7kna.co.uk>
To: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>, Bristol and Bath
Linux User Group <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
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Peter,

Have you got a VNC server running on the Pi?

Regards

Andy
--
Andy Jenner
Q: What goes; "Pieces of seven, pieces of seven"?
A: A parroty error

On 1 January 2017 at 18:40, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Happy New Year to you all.
>
> I have been attempting to see my pi desktop via vnc and realize I am a bit
> short of some "Basic" knowledge!
>
> The simple question is:
>
> What exactly is VNC, is it the overriding general concept or is vnc just
> one of many protocols like RDP?
>
> The reason I ask is because I can ssh from my PC/laptop/Android to the pi
> CLI OK. I can also see the pi desktop via RDP viewer (from fedora 24) BUT I
> cannot connect using x11vnc on the pi.
>
> I have configured a password (as user) it appears to not have it registered.
> I have also tried various x11vnc commands to find a password but it still
> refuses to start.
>
> FYI I am using the latest Raspian OS. Perhaps the problem is I have got
> remains of an old vnc config that is causing this problem.
>
> Unfortunately I cannot show any outputs as I cannot find how I can cut and
> paste from a remote desktop screen to this PC. If anyone has done this
> could you please let me know?
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
>
> --
> Peter H
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 15:32:53 +0000 (GMT)
From: jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk>
To: bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [bristol] keyboard problem
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1701021528050.9468@snout.codemist.co.uk>
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Thank you for all the information. unfortunately for some advice this is a
Z30-A-106 laptop and to remove the keyboard requires totally taking the
machine apart. I found a video doing it in only 30 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTxhEjBbh8
which looks really scarey for someone as hardware incompetent as I am.
Will investigate a laptop shop.
==John ff

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 16:07:07 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: AJ <lists@g7kna.co.uk>, Bristol and Bath Linux User Group
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <c4db668b-01a8-7b23-314b-285c84c56290@virginmedia.com>
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Hi,

On 02/01/17 14:49, AJ via Bristol wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Have you got a VNC server running on the Pi?

Nope, because it does not accept the password.
Checked this by using "Fing" app on my Android phone.
It does have a xrdp service on port 3389 that works but no 5900 01 02 etc.

>
> Regards
>
> Andy
> --
> Andy Jenner
> Q: What goes; "Pieces of seven, pieces of seven"?
> A: A parroty error
>
>
> On 1 January 2017 at 18:40, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Happy New Year to you all.
>>
>> I have been attempting to see my pi desktop via vnc and realize I am a bit
>> short of some "Basic" knowledge!
>>
>> The simple question is:
>>
>> What exactly is VNC, is it the overriding general concept or is vnc just
>> one of many protocols like RDP?
>>
>> The reason I ask is because I can ssh from my PC/laptop/Android to the pi
>> CLI OK. I can also see the pi desktop via RDP viewer (from fedora 24) BUT I
>> cannot connect using x11vnc on the pi.
>>
>> I have configured a password (as user) it appears to not have it registered.
>> I have also tried various x11vnc commands to find a password but it still
>> refuses to start.
>>
>> FYI I am using the latest Raspian OS. Perhaps the problem is I have got
>> remains of an old vnc config that is causing this problem.
>>
>> Unfortunately I cannot show any outputs as I cannot find how I can cut and
>> paste from a remote desktop screen to this PC. If anyone has done this
>> could you please let me know?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> --
>> Peter H
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 17:35:18 +0000
From: Peter Hemmings <peternsomerset@virginmedia.com>
To: BBLUG <Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>
Cc: AJ <lists@g7kna.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <b95b89bf-4c92-df91-d205-2d64f06139db@virginmedia.com>
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Andy,

On 02/01/17 16:25, AJ wrote:
> Peter,
>
> Don't know how much of this you are familiar with so if I cover things
> you know I apologise, I am not trying to teach granny, or anyone else
> for that matter, how to suck eggs.

>
> VNC has two components:
> 1. A VNC server running on the target machine that is to be
> controlled, in this case your Pi
> 2. A VNC client running on the machine you are operating usually a
> tablet or other portable device
>
> You need to configure the server on the target machine and in doing so
> will configure ports it listens on and the password to access the
> server.
>
> Once the server is running on the target machine (Pi) you should be
> able to connect to it by starting the VNC client on whatever device
> you want to control the Pi from and pointing it at the IP address (or
> hostname if your LAN supports that) of your Pi. The server on the Pi
> will then prompt for the password which is entered and then the Pi
> desktop should be seen within the VNC window.

I did know most of the above but was reassurance that most of what I am
doing is correct!

>
> Have a look here:
>
> https://www.realvnc.com/docs/raspberry-pi.html

That is a bit better than what I was using!

I originally was going to use either tightvnc or realvnc (cannot
remember which) and read that I could not fully control the desktop and
was advised to use x11vnc server.
I went through a procedure that "greyed out" the vnc option in rasp
config, which is still "greyed out".

If I log in via rdp I can see its still greyed out.
If I ssh into a CLI and type:

sudo systemctl enable vncserver-x11-serviced.service

it seem to work without complaining but if I do a "Status" I get errors
like:

loaded enabled
Active Failed (result: start limit) ...... Maind PID: 589 (code=exited,
status=203/EXEC)

and

vncserver-x11-serviced.service start request repeated too quickly,
refusing to start.
Failed to start VNV Server in Service Mode Daemon.

(sorry had to type the above as I cannot copy/paste from remote viewer
window)

I think I will start with a new raspian install to ensure any old config
settings are not the cause of the problem!

BTW is tightvnc a fully functioning server or is it a cut down version?

>
> I used to use something similar to remotely administer my fathers
> Windows PC in Backwell from my Linux box (or laptop) in Nailsea.
>
> I had previously installed TightVNC server on his desktop but didn't
> have it running as a service. His PC had a static IP on his LAN and
> the router was configured to port forward the VNC ports, the numbers
> of which I can't remember off hand, directly to his PC. To overcome
> the fact that his external IP address was dynamic I used DynDNS to
> provide a constant connection point on the web.
>
> When he had problems he would 'phone me and I would instruct him how
> to start the VNC server and then connect to it remotely from home and
> look at whatever issue he had. We would usually chat over SKYPE
> (audio only as VNC with video is painfull) or Google Talk as I was
> showing him how to do things by talking him through the process as I
> clicked on things on his desktop.
>
> Regards
>
> Andy
> --
> Andy Jenner
> Q: What goes; "Pieces of seven, pieces of seven"?
> A: A parroty error

Thanks

--
Peter H

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 18:19:53 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <0cd703bd-b640-49e2-a055-6d64690e2500@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi Peter

If going to use VNC Virtual Network Connection, you will indeed need a
working VNC server on the Rassbery Pi, then a client to connect to it on
your other device. Their is a default port for VNC from what I remember,
but you should be able to set it to anything you want or nearly I belive,
and be that just in a router for the whole Internet or a local area
network. I belive for xrdp you can change the port yourself, but really
RDP Remote Desktop Protocoll is the Microsoft one. There's also FreeNX
for example, but not used that one before myself. SSH is ok if you just
want to do the terminal, but yes anything graphical going to need something
such as VNC.

Hope this helps.

New Years

Regards

Sebastian

On Monday, 2 January 2017 16:07:07 GMT, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 02/01/17 14:49, AJ via Bristol wrote:
>> Peter,
>>
>> Have you got a VNC server running on the Pi?
>
> Nope, because it does not accept the password.
> Checked this by using "Fing" app on my Android phone.
> It does have a xrdp service on port 3389 that works but no 5900 01 02 etc.
>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Andy
>> --
>> Andy Jenner
>> Q: What goes; "Pieces of seven, pieces of seven"?
>> A: A parroty error
>>
>>
>> On 1 January 2017 at 18:40, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
>> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Happy New Year to you all.
>>>
>>> I have been attempting to see my pi desktop via vnc and
>>> realize I am a bit
>>> short of some "Basic" knowledge!
>>>
>>> The simple question is:
>>>
>>> What exactly is VNC, is it the overriding general concept or is vnc just
>>> one of many protocols like RDP?
>>>
>>> The reason I ask is because I can ssh from my PC/laptop/Android to the pi
>>> CLI OK. I can also see the pi desktop via RDP viewer (from
>>> fedora 24) BUT I
>>> cannot connect using x11vnc on the pi.
>>>
>>> I have configured a password (as user) it appears to not have
>>> it registered.
>>> I have also tried various x11vnc commands to find a password but it still
>>> refuses to start.
>>>
>>> FYI I am using the latest Raspian OS. Perhaps the problem is I have got
>>> remains of an old vnc config that is causing this problem.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I cannot show any outputs as I cannot find how
>>> I can cut and
>>> paste from a remote desktop screen to this PC. If anyone has done this
>>> could you please let me know?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter H
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bristol mailing list
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>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
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>
> Regards

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 18:25:24 +0000
From: Sebastian <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
To: <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk>, <sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com>
Subject: Re: [bristol] Unable VNC into a Rpi Desktop
Message-ID: <3fc7d892-8eab-4e70-8f17-f4dd161550eb@gmx.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Also you can only use one graphical one at once as far as I know, can't use
more than one I belive. However SSH can be used with VNC to make it more
secure over the Internet for example. Also to be clear you don't need to
VNC etc, over the Internet to connect to your Rassbery Pi if the client is
near and you do it over the LAN, but doing so over the Internet would be a
possible option. Bearing that in mind make sure you know what any open
ports for remote connecting, are being used for, are they ports being
opended up for the whole Internet, or just to anything on your LAN. On a
LAN would be using a internal ip address to connect as well, via the
Internet it would be your external ip address.

On Monday, 2 January 2017 18:19:53 GMT, Sebastian via Bristol
<bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter
>
> If going to use VNC Virtual Network Connection, you will indeed need a
> working VNC server on the Rassbery Pi, then a client to connect to it on
> your other device. Their is a default port for VNC from what I remember,
> but you should be able to set it to anything you want or nearly I belive,
> and be that just in a router for the whole Internet or a local area
> network. I belive for xrdp you can change the port yourself, but really
> RDP Remote Desktop Protocoll is the Microsoft one. There's also FreeNX
> for example, but not used that one before myself. SSH is ok if you just
> want to do the terminal, but yes anything graphical going to need something
> such as VNC.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> New Years
>
> Regards
>
> Sebastian
>
> On Monday, 2 January 2017 16:07:07 GMT, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 02/01/17 14:49, AJ via Bristol wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> Have you got a VNC server running on the Pi?
>>
>> Nope, because it does not accept the password.
>> Checked this by using "Fing" app on my Android phone.
>> It does have a xrdp service on port 3389 that works but no 5900 01 02 etc.
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Andy
>>> --
>>> Andy Jenner
>>> Q: What goes; "Pieces of seven, pieces of seven"?
>>> A: A parroty error
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 January 2017 at 18:40, Peter Hemmings via Bristol
>>> <bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Happy New Year to you all.
>>>>
>>>> I have been attempting to see my pi desktop via vnc and
>>>> realize I am a bit
>>>> short of some "Basic" knowledge!
>>>>
>>>> The simple question is:
>>>>
>>>> What exactly is VNC, is it the overriding general concept
>>>> or is vnc just
>>>> one of many protocols like RDP?
>>>>
>>>> The reason I ask is because I can ssh from my
>>>> PC/laptop/Android to the pi
>>>> CLI OK. I can also see the pi desktop via RDP viewer (from
>>>> fedora 24) BUT I
>>>> cannot connect using x11vnc on the pi.
>>>>
>>>> I have configured a password (as user) it appears to not have
>>>> it registered.
>>>> I have also tried various x11vnc commands to find a password
>>>> but it still
>>>> refuses to start.
>>>>
>>>> FYI I am using the latest Raspian OS. Perhaps the problem is I have got
>>>> remains of an old vnc config that is causing this problem.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately I cannot show any outputs as I cannot find how
>>>> I can cut and
>>>> paste from a remote desktop screen to this PC. If anyone has done this
>>>> could you please let me know?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter H
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Bristol mailing list
>>>> Bristol@mailman.lug.org.uk
>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bristol
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> Regards
>
>

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